I started off with immense respect for Tesla succeeding in delivering a mainstream electric car, and SpaceX delivering on successful commercial space flight. Finally, I thought. A rich billionaire who might actually be doing good.
Then the paedo cave thing happened. Ok. Guy can’t take criticism. That comment as uncalled for.
Now? Holy shit. The guy is a full on racist, anti trans, misogynist, white supremacist, conspiracy peddling whack a doodle.
I gave him the benefit of doubt because he fucking hated living in South Africa… apparently it had more to do with living with his dad, then the apartheid.
I’m aware that there are nice people from South Africa, but every single South African I’ve ever met has been absolutely horrendous.
I think they’ve all started to be racist within about half an hour of meeting them, which I don’t get because I didn’t even bring the topic up, they did. So they actually go out of their way to be racist when there isn’t anyone around them to trigger the behaviour. They do it like they’re just talking about the weather or making some other small talk.
Even the Japanese are not that bad. Although they’re pretty awful too.
I used to have a similar stereotype about (white) South Africans who I met in my country. However, after having spent some time there recently I can say that South Africans (of all ethnicities) are absolutely lovely people. I was really impressed with what an integrated and truly multicultural society they have less than thirty years after the end of apartheid. I realise there are still big problems but it left a big impact nonetheless.
My hypothesis is that all the shittiest people left when apartheid was ending because they didn’t like black people having human rights, and fled to majority-white countries.
Well to defend my honour a little. You know, because you called me a racist for no reason.
I worked in a role where I went all over the world (mostly to South Africa though) and I was dealing with rich business owners and CEO, CFOs etc (all men too) and their various assistants. If I’d met on the street people maybe it would be difficult but the only other South Africans I met were retail staff and we didn’t get to talking much.
Also it was way the hell more then 10 people. My company had to have an unofficial policy not only sending Caucasians because they were the only ones thes businesses they’s would deal with. It had nothing to do with their ability, it was just they couldn’t get the racists to deal with them.
The same was true of the Japanese, but at least they were polite about it.
I haven’t been back since COVID, but I can’t imagine it’s changed much.
I am confused. Wouldn’t you call it racism when I say “All russians smell bad” or “All white people walk funny”? I thought I checked all the boxes with that: I ascribe (in a negative way) a fact to a group of people, who in fact, don’t all smell bad. So for me is saying “All south africans are racists” and “All Japanese people are too, but slightly better” in fact, racism.
There is a difference between racism and generalizations. If you meet 20 South Africans, and 18 are racist, not taking that info into account is foolish. It becomes racism when you start saying the other 2 must also be racist. But it would not be racist to assume that a 21st person you meet will be racist unless shown otherwise.
Replace South African with Black or Jewish, groups people here are more aware of here. How does it sound?
If it sounds bad. Then maybe you shouldn’t apply it either to any other origin.
If it doesn’t sound bad, then you are intolerant.
So yes, I am happy to argue against such comments to make the world better.
But I am optimistic, so I believe it’s just a lack of awareness.
Am I boring because I should have known it is actually a joke? If so, would you make such jokes against Black people?
He wasn’t just made to look foolish, he called the lead cave rescuer a pedophile just and only because the guy didn’t wanted to use his insane contraption.
Also, that wasn’t the first time. The asshole was fired for incompetence before and only became rich because of shares he had in the company that got bought out. Anything good he’s ever done is the work or ideas of others. Anything else is just utter shit.
Hyperloop, anyone? I remember reading in the 80’s about how dumb of an idea that was, and in sure he got it from older articles as the first ideas were from the beginning of the 1900’s, but he basically popped that idea because he was against high speed rail in LA. You can basically -in part- thank Musk for not having good rail in LA. Meanwhile, china built out a huge rail system because well, at least dictatorships are good for something, I guess.
Do I need to talk about Twitter at all? Bought it for twice the value, and brought it’s actual value to 50% within a year. Fired thousands of people for no reason, including loads of business critical employers. Rent on his Twitter loans are due soon, hope you have a billion dollar laying around somewhere asshole!
The guy is a black mark on humanity and I can’t wait for the day to see him being bankrupt and having to live in a shitty small house, he deserves it.
The Hyperloop thing is more complicated and more like an elaborate plan. It was a way to distract California lawmakers from a high-speed rail project, in order to sell more Teslas.
Yeah, it’s also impossible. Anyone with a highschool degree and an hour to read into it can see that there are huge issues that simply cannot be fixed or are just dumb to even try
I can’t wait for the day to see him being bankrupt and having to live in a shitty small house, he deserves it.
You can’t get rid of that much money. He could make nothing but terrible choices for the next 100 years and his money would continue making him insane amounts of money.
The vast majority of his value comes from his companies. telsa went down what, 50-70%, so slash his worth by 30%, twitter was bought for twice the value and dropped to 50% ofmits worth in under a year. If he keeps going like that, he’ll be bankrupt by 2025
Trump is likely not (and never was) a billionaire he’s a notorious liar when it comes to his wealth and has always inflated the crap out of everything.
Musk is equally a notorious liar and is very capable of going bankrupt as most of his wealth is in his companies that he’s quite expertly running into the ground. His Twitter acquisition required multi billion dollar loans and the interest and payments together run into billion(s) per year. As he paid twice the value for twitter and the expertly ran it down to half that value, he lost about 75% of the money… good luck with that next payment, asshole!
He pulled a huge amount of stock out of tesla (“I’ll never sell tesla stock”, musk) and with that tesla went off a cliff as well
Normal people used to like Elon. Then he made a cave submarine and was made to look foolish and the mask slipped.
I started off with immense respect for Tesla succeeding in delivering a mainstream electric car, and SpaceX delivering on successful commercial space flight. Finally, I thought. A rich billionaire who might actually be doing good.
Then the paedo cave thing happened. Ok. Guy can’t take criticism. That comment as uncalled for.
Now? Holy shit. The guy is a full on racist, anti trans, misogynist, white supremacist, conspiracy peddling whack a doodle.
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I gave him the benefit of doubt because he fucking hated living in South Africa… apparently it had more to do with living with his dad, then the apartheid.
I’m aware that there are nice people from South Africa, but every single South African I’ve ever met has been absolutely horrendous.
I think they’ve all started to be racist within about half an hour of meeting them, which I don’t get because I didn’t even bring the topic up, they did. So they actually go out of their way to be racist when there isn’t anyone around them to trigger the behaviour. They do it like they’re just talking about the weather or making some other small talk.
Even the Japanese are not that bad. Although they’re pretty awful too.
I used to have a similar stereotype about (white) South Africans who I met in my country. However, after having spent some time there recently I can say that South Africans (of all ethnicities) are absolutely lovely people. I was really impressed with what an integrated and truly multicultural society they have less than thirty years after the end of apartheid. I realise there are still big problems but it left a big impact nonetheless.
My hypothesis is that all the shittiest people left when apartheid was ending because they didn’t like black people having human rights, and fled to majority-white countries.
And every south african I have ever met was as racist or not as racist as every other person I met in my country.
If you met 10 racist south africans doesn’t mean all south africans are racist. This thought leads to… racism.
Maybe you meet that many racists because you are one yourself. But what do I know, I am german, we don’t have humor.
Well to defend my honour a little. You know, because you called me a racist for no reason.
I worked in a role where I went all over the world (mostly to South Africa though) and I was dealing with rich business owners and CEO, CFOs etc (all men too) and their various assistants. If I’d met on the street people maybe it would be difficult but the only other South Africans I met were retail staff and we didn’t get to talking much.
Also it was way the hell more then 10 people. My company had to have an unofficial policy not only sending Caucasians because they were the only ones thes businesses they’s would deal with. It had nothing to do with their ability, it was just they couldn’t get the racists to deal with them.
The same was true of the Japanese, but at least they were polite about it.
I haven’t been back since COVID, but I can’t imagine it’s changed much.
I am confused. Wouldn’t you call it racism when I say “All russians smell bad” or “All white people walk funny”? I thought I checked all the boxes with that: I ascribe (in a negative way) a fact to a group of people, who in fact, don’t all smell bad. So for me is saying “All south africans are racists” and “All Japanese people are too, but slightly better” in fact, racism.
There is a difference between racism and generalizations. If you meet 20 South Africans, and 18 are racist, not taking that info into account is foolish. It becomes racism when you start saying the other 2 must also be racist. But it would not be racist to assume that a 21st person you meet will be racist unless shown otherwise.
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Well I try and give everyone the benefit of the doubt first. I just didn’t see it until he let loose on Twitter.
Spitting Image called it in the 80s
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dmoT9AfoI&si=cTGVAqI-KHJWTLUP
Why is that xenophobic comment upvoted? I feel like Musk brings the worst of everyone.
You might think you’re making the world a better place by being offended by everything on everyone’s behalf, but you’re just making it more boring
Replace South African with Black or Jewish, groups people here are more aware of here. How does it sound? If it sounds bad. Then maybe you shouldn’t apply it either to any other origin.
If it doesn’t sound bad, then you are intolerant.
So yes, I am happy to argue against such comments to make the world better.
But I am optimistic, so I believe it’s just a lack of awareness.
Am I boring because I should have known it is actually a joke? If so, would you make such jokes against Black people?
Remember that Musk didn’t create Tesla, he bought Tesla and made it worse.
He wasn’t just made to look foolish, he called the lead cave rescuer a pedophile just and only because the guy didn’t wanted to use his insane contraption.
Also, that wasn’t the first time. The asshole was fired for incompetence before and only became rich because of shares he had in the company that got bought out. Anything good he’s ever done is the work or ideas of others. Anything else is just utter shit.
Hyperloop, anyone? I remember reading in the 80’s about how dumb of an idea that was, and in sure he got it from older articles as the first ideas were from the beginning of the 1900’s, but he basically popped that idea because he was against high speed rail in LA. You can basically -in part- thank Musk for not having good rail in LA. Meanwhile, china built out a huge rail system because well, at least dictatorships are good for something, I guess.
Do I need to talk about Twitter at all? Bought it for twice the value, and brought it’s actual value to 50% within a year. Fired thousands of people for no reason, including loads of business critical employers. Rent on his Twitter loans are due soon, hope you have a billion dollar laying around somewhere asshole!
The guy is a black mark on humanity and I can’t wait for the day to see him being bankrupt and having to live in a shitty small house, he deserves it.
The Hyperloop thing is more complicated and more like an elaborate plan. It was a way to distract California lawmakers from a high-speed rail project, in order to sell more Teslas.
Yeah, it’s also impossible. Anyone with a highschool degree and an hour to read into it can see that there are huge issues that simply cannot be fixed or are just dumb to even try
What is terrifying id that he has been charged with fraud several times but still isn’t in prison even though he is guilty.
You can’t get rid of that much money. He could make nothing but terrible choices for the next 100 years and his money would continue making him insane amounts of money.
Oh yes you can.
The vast majority of his value comes from his companies. telsa went down what, 50-70%, so slash his worth by 30%, twitter was bought for twice the value and dropped to 50% ofmits worth in under a year. If he keeps going like that, he’ll be bankrupt by 2025
Bankrupt doesn’t mean broke when you’re ultra-wealthy. Trump has declared bankruptcy what, 6 or 7 times? He’s still a billionaire.
Trump is likely not (and never was) a billionaire he’s a notorious liar when it comes to his wealth and has always inflated the crap out of everything.
Musk is equally a notorious liar and is very capable of going bankrupt as most of his wealth is in his companies that he’s quite expertly running into the ground. His Twitter acquisition required multi billion dollar loans and the interest and payments together run into billion(s) per year. As he paid twice the value for twitter and the expertly ran it down to half that value, he lost about 75% of the money… good luck with that next payment, asshole!
He pulled a huge amount of stock out of tesla (“I’ll never sell tesla stock”, musk) and with that tesla went off a cliff as well
Hell he bankrupt within 5 years, if that.
I’ll have you know I was sick of him before it was cool 😤