Are you trying to discredit Riseup and Disroot without evidence? Are you a fed by any chance, or a nasty troll? You can go read digdeeper’s blog on email providers. If you disagree, you may continue to deny, troll and get banned for speaking nonsense.
I’ve never heard of those 2 providers and they don’t seem to be any better. I’m just looking for facts to back that and so far I haven’t seen any
Being skeptical doesn’t mean being a troll or a fed, wtf. I don’t know what you’re on but it seems cool
As for the « are you trying to discredit … without evidence » I want to answer « what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence »
I’ve never heard of those 2 providers and they don’t seem to be any better.
You never heard of the other two providers but yet you already draw the conclusion that they don’t seem to be better. What does “better” mean to you in this context ?
Their privacy policy. They log IP addresses and are not immune to legal actions, and as such, are not really better than Proton in terms of legal actions
Their privacy policy. They log IP addresses and are not immune to legal actions, and as such, are not really better than Proton in terms of legal actions
You’re the ones defending a service yet you don’t know that. Seems like someone who just found out the service can do better research. But hey, thanks for not being overly aggressive and claiming to know everything like this other guy.
You’re the ones defending a service yet you don’t know that. Seems like someone who just found out the service can do better research. But hey, thanks for not being overly aggressive and claiming to know everything like this other guy.
I simply asked you a question and thanks for pointing out more details. I have decided to trust Riseup and Disroot for reasons in the past. It is up to me to care about my privacy and security when there is the need for it. Other people will use Google Gmail with GnuPG, that up to them.
Yes. I am surprised people are downvoting me and upvoting him. He is the one who did no research, and I am on the opposite end of the spectrum. I write guides lol. This is privacy community. Anyone remotely serious about privacy must have heard of Riseup, Disroot, Posteo and others.
Exactly! I am not saying that Proton is some kind of virus but lots of folks are screaming “Proton! Proton!” (and “You have to think for yourself!” - Life of Brian) as if it is the only answer for privacy and security.
Riseup exists since about 1999 and is like Disroot non profit with focus on activism. Proton is like some other companies, I think, a response to the Snowden revelations, which is iirc 2013, a time after which self-hosting email (e.g. Mail in a box) became topical for a while and several other new email companies started to pop up.
It is very strange to me that Lemmy users are behaving in a reverse manner to how they should. Are they too young? Or are they too bad at privacy game, believing all this Proton/Graphene/Brave and whatever else is trendy?
rant
What if I were to stop being so aggressive and start accepting as a mod all this nonsense claimed by chest thumping randos? I think I now see why privacy communities are usually so shit. It is these moments where the seeds of falsehoods are implanted, and they become rumours and then gospel truths. Only when moderators have serious knowledge (qualified) and are defiant in the face of nonsense, can a community remain unspoilt. But qualification is also a problem, because “authorities” will try to hijack such an endeavour and ruin it.
What is wrong with claiming sun rises from west, or sky is not blue, or a pedophile will not do bad things to kids? I am sure you can find the logic, and consider researching a little bit and making yourself knowledgeable before raising such absurd questions. Or maybe stop consuming privacy content from slimy YouTubers?
It is very strange to me that Lemmy users are behaving in a reverse manner to how they should. Are they too young? Or are they too bad at privacy game, believing all this Proton/Graphene/Brave and whatever else is trendy?
It is indeed probably a new and young generation preferring to watch videos on their smart phones rather than reading from a desktop computer. YouTube (with its influencers and content creators) is very popular and that is unlikely to change any time soon. Problem is that getting privacy and also security right is not that simple. Take for example the Riseup and Disroot comments in this thread. I trust Disroot and Riseup to do the right thing, and I bet that handing over personal data would be about the last thing they would ever do. I guess this is difficult to understand for people who have nothing at all in common with activism and for that matter anti-capitalism.
Serious topics like privacy and self improvement have become very similar in people’s perception. They are also just another thing to consume, as unhinged as it sounds. Everything must be consumed, everything must be rented. Everyone must live in a distorted perception of “safety”, whose harbingers are fucking western corporations. It is insanity and it must be prevented from taking over Lemmy’s communities atleast on main .ml instance, and I will do what is needed to prevent that, in places I moderate.
Oh so you believe that Proton wants to hand out user data? Absolutely not. It gives them bad publicity and discredits them.
Capitalism and activism has nothing to do with the subject. We’re here for privacy and anonymity. A good service is trustless. It’s not up to Disroot and Riseup to decide whether they’ll hand out user info or not. They subject to some legislation because of the country they’re based in, and I don’t think they’re willing to go to jail by not cooperating.
And you can spread your hate towards the younger generation and smartphones all you want, it only makes you more irrelevant. You didn’t write any argument as to why those services are better except “they’re activists” and “I trust them”, which doesn’t matter in any way.
You react to small disagreements with insults, accusations of the user being a fed and threats of censorship (banning him because you disagree with him). I have no idea if you’re an admin on lemmy and actually have the power to do this, but this is fairly downvoteable in my view.
What if I started allowing idiots claiming Apple is privacy friendly and people should absolutely trust Google Nest speakers because Google is a big company?
Disagreements are not small, when someone attempts to establish alternative reality as facts. This is why the bold stance is necessary.
Let me ask, how many years have you been deeply into the privacy endeavours? And I mean deeply. 2? 3? 5 years? I was using Tor before I hit teenagehood. You need a certain level of authority to keep such problems at bay, when one is unwilling to listen, act proud of not researching and double down on their nonsense takes. Maybe you like the shitty advice given on Reddit or other garbage privacy communities where Brave, Pixel and iPhone are recommended, but this is not going to be one. Privacy communities are full of half knowledge loonies and grifters, and there is almost no defense against it.
If you have not dived deep into the rabbit hole, that is a you problem. What level of threat model and knowledge do you even have to be able to contest such claims, that you do not trust Riseup and Disroot? Denying facts and doubling down by not listening is a problem.
I gave you a place to look for facts. If you do not want to and just want to speak gibberish without listening or backing up your claims, you can go to Reddit or PrivacyGuides/Techlore/some shit youtuber and worship Protonmail or Apple Private Relay.
Source: trust me bro
It’s just that more people use proton so more of them have their identity leaked. I don’t see how the terms of these 2 companies are better
Are you trying to discredit Riseup and Disroot without evidence? Are you a fed by any chance, or a nasty troll? You can go read digdeeper’s blog on email providers. If you disagree, you may continue to deny, troll and get banned for speaking nonsense.
I’ve never heard of those 2 providers and they don’t seem to be any better. I’m just looking for facts to back that and so far I haven’t seen any
Being skeptical doesn’t mean being a troll or a fed, wtf. I don’t know what you’re on but it seems cool
As for the « are you trying to discredit … without evidence » I want to answer « what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence »
You never heard of the other two providers but yet you already draw the conclusion that they don’t seem to be better. What does “better” mean to you in this context ?
Their privacy policy. They log IP addresses and are not immune to legal actions, and as such, are not really better than Proton in terms of legal actions
They log IP addresses ? Source ?
Source: the 3 first words of my comment…
https://disroot.org/en/privacy_policy Section 4.1
You’re the ones defending a service yet you don’t know that. Seems like someone who just found out the service can do better research. But hey, thanks for not being overly aggressive and claiming to know everything like this other guy.
I simply asked you a question and thanks for pointing out more details. I have decided to trust Riseup and Disroot for reasons in the past. It is up to me to care about my privacy and security when there is the need for it. Other people will use Google Gmail with GnuPG, that up to them.
Sorry for being aggressive :)
I just believe that Proton with end to end encryption by default is better than having unencrypted mail or similar
Good for you if you trust them, but you might as well self host then if you don’t need protection from the government 🤔
Yes. I am surprised people are downvoting me and upvoting him. He is the one who did no research, and I am on the opposite end of the spectrum. I write guides lol. This is privacy community. Anyone remotely serious about privacy must have heard of Riseup, Disroot, Posteo and others.
Exactly! I am not saying that Proton is some kind of virus but lots of folks are screaming “Proton! Proton!” (and “You have to think for yourself!” - Life of Brian) as if it is the only answer for privacy and security.
Riseup exists since about 1999 and is like Disroot non profit with focus on activism. Proton is like some other companies, I think, a response to the Snowden revelations, which is iirc 2013, a time after which self-hosting email (e.g. Mail in a box) became topical for a while and several other new email companies started to pop up.
It is very strange to me that Lemmy users are behaving in a reverse manner to how they should. Are they too young? Or are they too bad at privacy game, believing all this Proton/Graphene/Brave and whatever else is trendy?
rant
What if I were to stop being so aggressive and start accepting as a mod all this nonsense claimed by chest thumping randos? I think I now see why privacy communities are usually so shit. It is these moments where the seeds of falsehoods are implanted, and they become rumours and then gospel truths. Only when moderators have serious knowledge (qualified) and are defiant in the face of nonsense, can a community remain unspoilt. But qualification is also a problem, because “authorities” will try to hijack such an endeavour and ruin it.
What’s wrong with those 3 things you cited?
What is wrong with claiming sun rises from west, or sky is not blue, or a pedophile will not do bad things to kids? I am sure you can find the logic, and consider researching a little bit and making yourself knowledgeable before raising such absurd questions. Or maybe stop consuming privacy content from slimy YouTubers?
It is indeed probably a new and young generation preferring to watch videos on their smart phones rather than reading from a desktop computer. YouTube (with its influencers and content creators) is very popular and that is unlikely to change any time soon. Problem is that getting privacy and also security right is not that simple. Take for example the Riseup and Disroot comments in this thread. I trust Disroot and Riseup to do the right thing, and I bet that handing over personal data would be about the last thing they would ever do. I guess this is difficult to understand for people who have nothing at all in common with activism and for that matter anti-capitalism.
Serious topics like privacy and self improvement have become very similar in people’s perception. They are also just another thing to consume, as unhinged as it sounds. Everything must be consumed, everything must be rented. Everyone must live in a distorted perception of “safety”, whose harbingers are fucking western corporations. It is insanity and it must be prevented from taking over Lemmy’s communities atleast on main .ml instance, and I will do what is needed to prevent that, in places I moderate.
Oh so you believe that Proton wants to hand out user data? Absolutely not. It gives them bad publicity and discredits them.
Capitalism and activism has nothing to do with the subject. We’re here for privacy and anonymity. A good service is trustless. It’s not up to Disroot and Riseup to decide whether they’ll hand out user info or not. They subject to some legislation because of the country they’re based in, and I don’t think they’re willing to go to jail by not cooperating.
And you can spread your hate towards the younger generation and smartphones all you want, it only makes you more irrelevant. You didn’t write any argument as to why those services are better except “they’re activists” and “I trust them”, which doesn’t matter in any way.
You react to small disagreements with insults, accusations of the user being a fed and threats of censorship (banning him because you disagree with him). I have no idea if you’re an admin on lemmy and actually have the power to do this, but this is fairly downvoteable in my view.
What if I started allowing idiots claiming Apple is privacy friendly and people should absolutely trust Google Nest speakers because Google is a big company?
Disagreements are not small, when someone attempts to establish alternative reality as facts. This is why the bold stance is necessary.
Let me ask, how many years have you been deeply into the privacy endeavours? And I mean deeply. 2? 3? 5 years? I was using Tor before I hit teenagehood. You need a certain level of authority to keep such problems at bay, when one is unwilling to listen, act proud of not researching and double down on their nonsense takes. Maybe you like the shitty advice given on Reddit or other garbage privacy communities where Brave, Pixel and iPhone are recommended, but this is not going to be one. Privacy communities are full of half knowledge loonies and grifters, and there is almost no defense against it.
If you have not dived deep into the rabbit hole, that is a you problem. What level of threat model and knowledge do you even have to be able to contest such claims, that you do not trust Riseup and Disroot? Denying facts and doubling down by not listening is a problem.
I gave you a place to look for facts. If you do not want to and just want to speak gibberish without listening or backing up your claims, you can go to Reddit or PrivacyGuides/Techlore/some shit youtuber and worship Protonmail or Apple Private Relay.