Probably another Israel protest…
Maybe because Israel’s contestant is someone they literally held a TV contest to find, and then told her what song she’s allowed to sing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/08/arts/music/eurovision-israel-eden-golan-hurricane.html
It’s pure propaganda and rubbing everyone else’s nose in Israel being allowed to participate while actively committing a genocide.
The song was written explicitly to attract sympathy, and it was so bad originally Eurovision had to make them change some of they lyrics.
I miss the days Little Big did a Spanish language song to piss of Russian nationalists, now they’re living in exile in LA and this shit is going on.
I don’t follow Eurovision that closely, did I just never notice this before? Or has it always been like Olympics and FIFA?
Always has been. The whole introduction of the public vote really highlights (what has always been) the political voting of the judges. All the scandi countries voting for each other, border buddy voting, no-one voting for the UK etc.
It was only a few years ago that Iceland got in trouble for briefly showing a Palestine flag in the finals because the rules state “no politics”, but half the songs are making political statements.
Is there a political reason why people don’t vote for the UK or are we just that shit?
Up until a years ago I was of the opinion “There’s no political voting, UK 2022 and Germany 2018 were super popular so it’s possible”. But honestly, after last year I think it’s possible, but some countries still have a disadvantage and they need to produce an absolutely amazing song to get a great result, but only a good song won’t get them the points a different country would get. Only my personal opinion though.
I can think of a few possible factors. First is that we’re not part of any notable voting blocs, so there’s nobody automatically putting us first. That brings down the average relative to those who are in one. We also get automatic entry to the finals every year without having to get ranked well in the semi finals, so there’s a higher chance of a British entry in the finals being unpopular than there is of most other countries. But also, I think, we might just be overestimating what we deserve. We don’t actually do that badly; only Ireland and Sweden have won it more than us, and our average score in the finals if you actually add them all up is pretty much middle of the pack
Neighborhood voting is usually more frequent in televoting tbh (as is running order bias)
Little Big are masters of not giving a fuck who they piss off :)
Latest rumor: joost was being harassed constantly by the Israeli zionists. They used his dead parents as ammunition in their verbal abuse. Joost lost temper and did something towards Israeli photographer.
That would explain why he yelled why not to israel
Ohh yeah, true…
(Although of course that’s rather speculative. @Vivarevo@sopuli.xyz, do you know where these rumors come from?)
Every ESC has its drama but honestly this year really feels like another level with things like this ://Here and there. Now there is Twitter rumor about esc spain prepping to announce something about getting abuse from Israelis too. Have to wait and see whats up.
Austrian broadcaster is writing that the Spanish delegation issued a protest against an individual israeli journalist to the organizers today.
The article also talks about the release of the italian voting results. Apparently they weren’t the actual results, but then what were those results? The results they had hoped for or what?
Wie RAI am Freitag in einer Pressemitteilung betonte, hätte es sich um einen technischen Fehler und zudem nicht um die tatsächlichen Ergebnisse gehandelt.
There is huqe scandal going on with Israels genocidal acts calls.
Well that’s shitty :/ Was he harassed by people on the premises? Huge fail from the organizers if so.
I now hear spain also has some drama with israel. Also a spanish press conference to tell how and what.
Soggy hell. Even going with the concept of ESC trying to be apolitical, Israel’s presence is just fucking things up for everyone. In addition to this new mess, every country’s artist has been getting constant harassment for A) joining, B) not protesting Israel, C) protesting Israel but not enough D) protesting Israel or E) All of the above from various people.
And now there are talks of voting “tactical” by making anyone but Israel win, i.e. voting for current betting favorite Croatia. Meaning, peoole won’t get to just vote for who they like and accept that some other worthy contestant won instead, like usual.
I wish they had the fucking tact to sit this one out even if the rules allow it.
And now there are talks of voting “tactical” by making anyone but Israel
I think a stronger message would be to make Israel win this year so the EBU are forced to host the contest in a country currently repressing and illegally occupying it’s neighbour.
The EBU will surely then have to pull it’s finger out and explain it’s double standards.
Why would they? They would most likely just ignore that.
I like to believe the ESC has long since understood leaving Israel in was the wrong call, but this year’s event is too far along to change. A promise is a promise and all that.
There’s a lot of censoring going on in Eurovision this year to try and make things look pretty…
Was it a few years back when they ignored several country votes and just replaced their votes with what they thought they should have votted?
https://eurovision.tv/mediacentre/release/ebu-statement-irregular-voting-2022
the ESC Executive Supervisor has the right to remove the votes concerned for allocating the ranks and to replace them with a substitute aggregated result calculated automatically to determine the final country result of these countries
when they ignored several country votes and just replaced their votes with what they thought they should have voted?
Several countries‘ juries made a deal with each other to exchange all the high points so that they all get a good placement. But this has been discovered so the jury points have been annulled.
I agree that the way they handle this wasn’t great, but it’s good that they are making sure the jury votes are real and not the result of corruption or weird deals (as some people sometimes claim).Its great that they caught it, but the just covered it up during the live broadcast and it only got attention the following day. If I remember correctly, they had “connection issues” when the representatives from those countries were to cast their points
Yep. That’s what I meant with “the way they handled it wasn’t great”. I kind of can understand their motivation that it’s the easiest not to tell the countries they found out about it and just not letting them talk at all… but it’s unprofessional and not honest / open :/
Audience video during Israel’s song. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRwgE3td/
According to information to SVT [the Swedish broadcaster], there has been a physical confrontation between the artist and a photographer
Source: https://www.svt.se/kultur/incident-utreds-kring-nederlandske-artisten-joost-klein
That seems like a credible source. But there’s still almost no certified information to what exactly happened.I dont think EBU will update this with an honest comment before the song contest is over. Maybe some vague excuse at the show and a week later release a post about it in some obscure corner of their website
I mean, to this date they never released any details about the 2022 ban on Russia’s entry and left the vague statement they originally put out. And their statements about the jury fraud afterwards didnt go into detail either. So maybe we’ll not even get a proper comment afterwards.
I think it will be resolved shortly, definitely after the contest. Even in the past where the EBU has been intransparent (e.g. with the invalidated corrupt jury votes), it got pretty clear afterwards what happened. But I guess we’ll see.
News here are reporting that the NL flag has been removed from his backstage room https://nyheder.tv2.dk/2024-05-10-stor-mytik-breder-sig-i-eurovision-land-efter-ukendt-haendelse-med-hollandsk-deltager
Oh boy. We’ll see how that develops.
But it’s also “great” how this news site just needs to add one comment from “one critic” to emphasize how bad the song must be 🙄
I actually like the song - i listen to the songs, but don’t watch the show
So a journalist asked the israeli contestant if she was “causing” a security risk, she answered i dont have to answer that if i dont want to. And Joost yelled “why not?” (Guessing why not just answer) and now he is being investigated? Cool. Soo israel the next winner?
Not quite. The host told her she did not have to answer, but she did give a full answer.
Joost was hiding himself in a flag and generally behaving childish and rude during the conference, but that wasn’t a big problem. Everyone was exhausted.
Today’s event is something that happened today, and we have no details yet.
From what I heard Joost was getting a bunch of political questions right before that without the host ever saying “you don’t have to answer that”, and that’s where his reaction came from
Edit: source on Dutch Twitter
Well ive heard so many things in the last 15 min that i like everyone have no clue. But i think he left on his own (like fuck all this im gone) dont know why or who is involved. But after also hearing the really sketsy points counting. I mean its was always a corrupt contest but i will bet israel will win no matter what. Maybe he was pissed because of that i hav no clue every minute i hear something else. We will see but hes gone.
Yeah at this point I have heard like 4 different stories all supposedly reliable sources.
Yeah. In the end, rumors are just rumors and only time will tell what exactly happened because of which reasons.
This comment and link seems pretty solid
Probably a minor update, but I’ve read about this and Joost unfollowed Eurovision and deleted his Eurovision story from yesterday.
Yeah i think he just quit. Screw you guys im going home kinda deal. Now its easy for them to dq him and not investigate further
I really hope this isn’t the case :/
Especially for him with his special bond to Eurovision and the song with his parents :///
And of course also because I really liked his song and it’s in my top 3 :(
Oh seesh. I watched a recent coverage of him and Gabber literally yesterday. It felt so hopeful… and now this. Kinda feel robbed of my time now. Feels bizarre even though I don’t know him.
According to Danish news, the Dutch flag has been removed from Joosts backstage room!
police is now looking into this as Joost is being accused of ‘being violent’ towards a female TV producer
EU has Israel lobby too?
Jfc
ROTW voting is still delayed. I usually only check news this often when there’s F1 drama.
Plot twist… Fernando Alonso announces suprise move to the Netherlands Eurovision team and will
raceperform in Saturday’s final as a Junior.
