• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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    6 months ago

    Of course it matters! If your enemy kills 3 innocent people on your side and you retaliate by killing a million people on their side, it matters a whole fucking lot.

    Hamas is bad. Very few people will dispute that. Israel has proven that, at this point in time, it is far worse because it kills far more innocent people.

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      6 months ago

      Discourse on Lemmy is so stupid. It’s so stupid. Like Facebook boomer stupid.

      Is the IDF counter-attack proportional or is it excessive compared to what Hamas is doing? I would say it’s absolutely excessive. How is that excess justified? I would urge you guys to put more thought into any of this discourse beyond “genocide; colonialism; apartheid; imperialism”. Please, for the love of god. Try. When you use cheap logic, all you do is give more fodder to IDF --and I’m not a fan of IDF.

      If I take your claim and analyze it logically it’s not sound at all. The typical numbers game to counter whether the occupation is justified: More civilians dead = IDF bad. Pause. Think about this statement for a second. Do we measure justification for war based on the number of casualties incurred? When the allies bombed Dresden, did we find reason to defeat the Nazis even though many civilian casualties occurred? Yes, a calculated risk was made.

      The question is: What ought the IDF do in this scenario with Hamas perpetually shelling them with rockets by planting themselves in civilian areas?

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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        6 months ago

        Sorry… you’re comparing what Israel is doing right now to what allies did to a city in the country that was itself perpetrating the genocide? A country that was also itself invading Allied nations?

        Is this opposite day or something?

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          6 months ago

          Nop. I’m contesting your logic. Not comparing the countries. We are examining whether your logic holds up to scrutiny.

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            6 months ago

            I don’t even know what you think my logic is beyond “the more innocent people you kill, the less morally justified your position becomes.”

            Can you give an example of when that is not the case? Because I don’t know too many people who think that the bombing of Dresden was morally justified.