There’s solely using Umberto Eco’s work to understand fascism and then there’s this. The whole 2016 election didn’t ruin the definition of fascism, but it certainly ruined most spaces to have conversations about fascism.
I know a lot of this shit is deliberate from fascists who have a lot to gain from muddying the water, but it’s still frustrating as hell.
Like how are we supposed to have a conversation with people who think the conditions of the border camps are significantly better under Biden than Trump?
I believe you, even though there is literally no evidence for your claims
I like what you are telling me and it agrees with my prejudices so it must be true
Who are you gonna believe, me, or your lying eyes?
Do not get fooled, Hexbear might seem like fascists pretending to be tankies, but it is actually all a ruse to hide that they are liberals
Except for me
Saying you’re the one true leftist is the 420th kind of liberalism.
i feel so called out
You may laugh at them but these fine gentlepeople represent the current dominant economic system that managed to crush it’s opposition with sheer efficiency and might. Not so amused now, are you, fake tankies.
we need to get the moscow time back in the sidebar
Middle one is how I started. Apparently lemmygrad was so “bad”, that two of the instances I joined defederated it by default before anything else. I was like “Tankies, huh? I wonder what kind of nonsense stuff they like to post.” So I lurked on the front page.
1 week later
Holy shit they’re right.
Neat! That’s why I’m not too worried that they spread these memes about us (it’s a meme in the original meaning, where they start believing what others tell them without checking for themselves) because people will still check us out. And there’s no risk of getting your instance taken down on Lemmy, not like Reddit where you always had to be super careful about what you said and walk on eggshells.
They can’t stop talking about us in hushed, dreaded tones that create curiosity.
you know what I’m thinking btw? I was browsing lemmy servers on join-lemmy the other day and noticed there’s an instance for the r/blind subreddit, and they will federate with everyone except Lemmygrad lol, probably someone told them something they heard from someone else about us. Hexbear should federate with that community and start politely interacting with them.
either that or they’re turbo libs because they’re even federated with exploding-heads, so maybe someone could just ask them why they specifically single out lemmygrad.
edit: instance is simply rblind
Same, I even told a friend when telling them about Lemmy that “Lemmy has lots of… something called tankies? No clue what it means but I hear they have bad beliefs.”
The world didn’t make any sense to me. Browsing hexbear for a couple days was like finding the other half of the puzzle pieces inside
Hey that’s similar to me. Except for me it was reddit and I heard r/latestagecapitalism talking about “Chapos” and the “Dirt bag left” in hushed whispers but never saying why they were bad, so I checked them out and my first though was “Oh finally, some leftists that don’t want to play nice with the right”
Lol same pipeline here.
Similar pipeline here. Hanging around in all the I suppose you could call them “utopian left” spaces and being patted on the head “you’ll wise up when you’re older” followed by a “refutation” of whatever I suggested that itself demonstrated that they hadn’t actually listened to a word I said. Even some ideas I explored by advocating for them and later decided were flawed, it still burns me that people who otherwise accepted me as a reasonably intelligent person would take an idea I shared with them so lightly as to not listen. That primed me for the “if you aren’t going to participate constructively in good faith then you can fuck off” space that was CTH
When have we ever been pro-putin?! Lmao these people are delusional
If you admit that there has ever been a Nazi in the borders of Ukraine, or that NATO was involved in any way with the lead up to the war, your are pro-Putin.
Support Putin, the liberal who applied to join NATO? The one who can’t control his own central bank in wartime because he believes in the “rule of law” and “separation of powers”? Lmao. We support the people of Donbass.
Well you see calling out blatant lies, untruths and demanding journalistic rigor is actually just a dastardly kremlin propagandatrick where we sow discord and mistrust by pointing out when we’re being lied to.
hexbear is fascist, they’re pretending to be tankies
but i thought libs believed tankies = fascists…?
this is too confusingthey will literally just say anything about us. like, if you go to the_donald or /pol/, you can tell they are bigoted because they are saying slurs or barely disguised slurs, calling people r***rded, gay, “low IQ”, groomer, etc., talking about defending The West or a future for white children.
here, somehow, the bigotry apparently exists in some kind of mysterious non-corporeal state that cannot be pointed to.
If you go on /pol/, you can tell they are bigoted because they are fascists. If you go on communist lemmy, you can instead tell they are communists.
We’re all doing a very elaborate and well-coordinated bit where we actually mean the completely opposite of what we’re saying. No one ever slips up, it’s very impressive
Oh, it’s here, you just have to BELIEVE :spongebob-hands-waving:
guess they’re mad that we don’t care about being called tankies anymore
“Fascism is when you embrace revolutionary defeatism, and the more defeatism you embrace the more fascist it is.” - SPD supporter, 1914.
I saw a hexbear in the closet and it had a baby and it looked at me
This is nothing new, I knew people IRL who believed this about the subreddit.
Including a friend who’d been one of the primary forces pulling me to the left. It was like watching them turn into a liberal in real time.
Given that these people usually direct far more hatred at tankies than fascists, I guess that means we’ve moved up in their estimation!
