I don’t have time to deep dive into it, anyone with some knowledge can direct me to some links or some names of people who don’t have the NATO version of the famine?
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Here’s a post of mine about how the propaganda narrative was orchestrated using Nazi friendly newspapers and reporters, and then was reinforced via CIA funded publishing house led by a Ukr Nazi recruited by the CIA. It’s really quite the long con being pulled to make the USSR look as bad as possible.
The Village Voice piece about it is also a good read on this process of historical myth-making.
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The deprogram sub has a bot that responds with an effort post if you use the word there. Same for several other liberal brainworms.
Like reddit
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Here’s a PDF of The Years Of Hunger by Stephen Wheatcroft and R.W. Davies, which is probably the best book written on the subject:
https://diasporiana.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/books/22207/file.pdf
I started reading it thank you
You’re gonna want the intro to Davies and Wheatcroft’s “The Years of Hunger,” part of their series on Soviet agriculture. The second edition and later, as the first don’t have the relevant intro.
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WELCOME TO THE HOLODOME, GIVE ME YOUR GRAIN
Sorry the way you spelled it made me think itCan’t we all just get beyond the holodome?
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https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Holodomor Good resources provided.
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I just don’t think about it
It’s worth exploring.
I agree that the mostly fake US propaganda shouldn’t occupy too many of the wrinkles in your brain. Even if it is to debunk it.
Its NAZI propaganda that the rest of the west signal boosted
That’s what I said.
Being skeptical of Western propaganda doesn’t mean there’s no truth to the claims. Famine is famine. That doesn’t mean that the soviets were at fault, necessarily. But it also doesn’t mean we shouldn’t critically look at leftist policies and learn from any mistakes.
Famine is famine indeed, it isn’t about “leftist politics”.
Also denouncing Western propaganda is the correct stance because it is, in fact, propaganda.
Who exactly is saying you can’t be critical? Self-critisism is a leftist thing.
The original comment was to just not think about it. That isn’t being critical. I’m not trying to fight about this I’m trying to learn more. My general stance is probably very well accepted here
Ehh, I am just going to assume all western propaganda is fake. No point in really trying to enguage with it and just assuming it is all made up is close enough to accurate for any reasonable purpose. It isn’t good to let liberals force the conversations round the failures of communism. It really isn’t done in good faith and we shouldn’t give them that. There are really only a handful of facts that are important to know about this anyway.
That’s my general stance as well.
