As I said in the title, general thread, so if you want to post whatever thoughts you have about the movie unrelated to my question, it’s all good


In the part where Owen is an adult and rewatching The Pink Opaque, Owen comments that the show is nothing like they remember, and it’s cringy and embarrassing. The “new” version of the show we see is a lot more juvenile and corny than what was shown earlier in the movie, which I think a lot of people, trans or not, experience when revisiting shows they watched as a child.

But one thing I noticed that was drastically different in a way that couldn’t be misremembered was that the characters were completely different. Instead of two teenage girls, it’s four young kids, three girls and one boy. Also all four kids are white, while Isabel/Owen are half-black, and only one of them seems to have the “pink opaque powers”. If that one girl with the pink opaque powers is supposed to be the analogue for Tara, then the show Owen sees as an adult is missing an analogue for Isabel. I believe this is what causes Owen the distress we see in that moment, and not the simple fact that it’s cornier than they remember. But what aspect of the trans/genderqueer experience is this supposed to represent?

Maybe I’m just reading into it too much, but it feels like there’s something significant there, especially since so many other parts of the movie have small details that people who have ever questioned their gender identity can recognize as symbolic of their experiences, and completely replacing what the pink opaque (as a group) is supposed to be when Owen rewatches the show seems like a big detail. I just don’t get what was going on with that, if anything.

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    The Pink Opaque allows Isabel to vicariously live out her gender without having to make the hard choices that doing so in the real world would require (which she repeatedly refuses to do). But eventually drugs stop working, so to speak. A children’s TV show isn’t enough to stave off adult despair. As Isabel is no longer able to project the richness of her inner life into the show, it is revealed as it truly is, crass and artless.

    Or alternately, or simultaneously, this is the final victory of Mr. Melancholy. Not only is Isabel shut out of the real world for good, the one link with her real life, her real self, has been drained of meaning. Isabel already lost her chance to escape with Maddie, and now the last remnants are taken from her.

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    But what aspect of the trans/genderqueer experience is this supposed to represent?

    My interpretation:

    Owen watching The Pink Opaque represents observing, exploring, and questioning her gender identity. That’s why when Matty (Owen’s inner female self trying to show her her real gender identity) first asks Owen to run away and she doesn’t follow her (doesn’t allow her egg to crack), the TV is shown burning during the scene where the police are investigating Matty’s disappearance (Owen burning her desire to question her gender identity anymore)

    When Owen watches The Pink Opaque again as an adult, she comments on how childish the show seems nowadays, because she’s ashamed that she ever questioned her gender identity when she was younger, an experience many trans people who cracked their eggs in adulthood go through

    There is no Isabel in the show because at that point, Owen had completely pushed down her desire to identify as a woman

    Sorry if this is hard to understand I’m kind of illiterate

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      When Owen watches The Pink Opaque again as an adult, she comments on how childish the show seems nowadays, because she’s ashamed that she ever questioned her gender identity when she was younger, an experience many trans people who cracked their eggs in adulthood go through

      Sometimes you suppress it so hard that it feels like a false memory after the fact, because you’ve been so thoroughly conditioned to expect reprisal that you just shut out the thoughts, mannerisms, and intrinsic tendencies completely, to the point that your denial may include some unhealthy overcompensation… I think the film illustrated this a little bit with the Fight Club-esque smash cut flashbacks to Owen trying on the purple dress while hanging out with Maddy; shots that were never shown in the other scenes because Owen had suppressed the memories.

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      the TV is shown burning during the scene where the police are investigating Matty’s disappearance (Owen burning her desire to question her gender identity anymore)

      imo the tv is supposed to be the border between “real” life and the show / transitioning and it burning is matty destroying that border and crossing over

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    “Owen” isn’t real. Isabel is working through a series of false memories planted by Mr Melancholy in the midnight realm while maintaining a psychic connection with Tara while they are buried alive after getting hopped up on luna juice.

    Tara as “Maddy” starts snapping out of it first. She watches her real memories as a TV show called The Pink Opaque. It’s not a real show. The only time Isabel/“Owen” is able to watch it live is when with she is with Tara. Close to her in the midnight realm. Isabel never watches the show live alone. Tara’s power somehow causes the memories to be captured by a VHS tape (vhs is also the abbreviation for their high school) and those are able to be shared with Isabel by gifting the tapes in a darkroom.

    Time is all stretched out so the seconds in the real world are perceived as decades. Isabel mostly rejects reality and Tara trying to help, so Mr Melancholy has an easier job with the false memories being implanted. But at one point “Owen” wants to watch the series on a streaming platform, and so Mr Melancholy twists the show to be something benign with a few references from the real memories to make it plausible for Isabel, who really buys into the lies, unlike Tara.

    Other people have more metaphorical and representative reads on the film, this is more of an as presented in-universe reason the show is different. Jane the director said in an interview that it was a direct reference to having watched the Buffy musical episode and having that experience where it wasn’t as remembered.

    But the question I am most interested in, and that really drove home the horror, was:
    Would you be able to voluntary be buried alive, on the word of an old friend that you haven’t seen in almost a decade, on the off chance that all of this is actually happening?
    Or at what point afterwards would you try it?

    “I know it’s scary. That’s part of it.” is one line that sticks.

    Jane said after watching Twin Peaks the Return they really wanted to make something with a similar feeling of watching a trapped character and desperation wanting to see them escape, and that definitely came through as I was yelling at the screen for Isabel to run away with Tara, then to get buried, then to try anything.

    Some people see the ending as hopeful, finally having an egg crack moment.

    I see Tara after putting her heart back in, having giving it her best shot to save her friend, knowing she doesn’t get another chance, beside a dug up Isabel, holding her body, begging her to wake up.

    But there are many other great interpretations from people I’ve read.

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    Childrens programming, especially if it has gone on for long enough can radically change in tone/execution and the show in the movie has run for 5 seasons. But I personally think the Pink Opaque of Isabel and Tara never existed but were used as a way for Owen to disengage from their gender noncomformity. When Maddie returns, she asks Owen if they remember the Pink Opaque and the emphasis on memory can be due to Owen memory hole’d trans experience which get painfully dug up.

    I mean, who hasn’t lived out their queerness in derivative media/fanfics? I personally head canon the tapes that Maddie sends as tapes of her acting out her own version of the show or something like that since queerness is so tied to self expression and creativity.


    One part of the movie I really hated was how Isabel acted toward her caregivers/Owen treats their parents. Also the fact that Owen being half black is never touched upon. Race and transness intersect really hard so it was odd that it never came up (though Justice Smith is an incredible actor and played his role of repressed egg to near perfection). I also didn’t like Maddie/Tara, I think her character was too melodramatic for me personally. But thats probably due to the fact that the movie captures the trans zeitgeist of the 90s and early 2000s where transness was near invisible in western society unlike today (mashallah)

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    Since you said it’s a general thread I have a couple questions.

    What does Mr Melancholy represent? And why does it become “too late” for the main character?

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      Mr. Melancholy represents the cynicism of a cishet society. The monsters that he sends to Isabel and Tara are children’s imagination (ice cream man) turned into nightmares. He ultimately sends Isabel to the midnight realm where she is forced into Owen who has to watch her own self be buried alive. He is the cruelty required to maintain cis-heternormativity in a capitalist society.

      I’d argue it never becomes too late. Tara (Maddie) scribbles down “There’s still time” and Owen finally discovers Isabel trapped within him at his point of deepest despair. Director Schoenbaum said that they didn’t choose to write a explicitly “happy ending” because the trans journey for Isabel has just started as Owen can’t exist anymore.