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    An aside, I hate that this was posted to twitter before it was posted to Biden’s own website or the White House’s website first.

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      This is why the internet sucks now. Nobody maintains their own websites anymore. These days everybody just posts everything on the same handful of centralized megacorp websites. Social media killed the golden age of the web.

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        There are some exceptions that still live by the POSSE*-principle, but they’re rare.

        *Post to Own Site, Syndicate/Share Everywhere

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        E-mail, too. You could have all the latest security features to confirm you’re legitimate, but based on the simple fact that your message volume is low (ironically enough), messages you send with your server will often get filed under junk by default.

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          This is essentially a very fancy forum. I wouldn’t expect corporations or politicians to be posting here. Maybe they could host their own instance and federate. In principle, that would mean they’re paying for their own hosting and have control over their message being altered.

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        Well Trump posts stuff to his own website :P

        But yeah, I agree. And there’s no excuse for it really. Sure a regular person only posting to a single social media makes sense, but anyone that has staff should be able post to their own website, issue a press release, post on Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook, Blue Sky, Reddit, etc. I mean once you have the statement finalized it’s just copy & paste to get it on all platforms. It seems bizarre that they don’t do this.

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      My first reaction was that he was hacked. It wasn’t on official letterhead, there was no other announcement, and the president didn’t immediately make another tweet/x/whatever.

      I don’t think I’m alone. Typically when something big like this happens, I get 5-10 news alerts within minutes of each other from various sources. The alerts were slow to roll in today.

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    WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH ALL MY BIDEN HATS, FLAGS, T-SHIRTS, AND STICKERS?!

    /Just kidding - not in a cult 😅

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      As a very vocal Biden hater I’ll stomach Kamela far better and would be thrilled for someone else

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        Stomach isn’t enough. If you’re not actively campaigning and donating for her–or whomever the candidate is–then you may as well have been a Republican.

        EDIT: Nevermind. Clearly the hivemind wants to stay in our armchairs. Who can blame us, right? We’ll continue this conversation in November. I hope it’s not I-told-you-so.

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          We win if we get enough votes, and every vote counts.

          Anything beyond voting is just gravy.

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          The “hive mind” probably just can’t figure out what the fuck you’re even trying to say. So, what, everybody who doesn’t actively campaign for their preferred candidate just supports fascism by default? I’m guessing your stance isn’t anywhere near that stupid, because that is an extraordinarily stupid stance. So maybe you’d have a better reception if you clarified your point.

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          I guess the poor and disabled and people who are too busy with struggling to survive are secretly republicans now.

          “Hey I have a weak immune system, so I have to work from home and that limits my income and my free time.”

          “I smell a Republican!”

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          With people like you it shows why Trump won culturally even if he doesn’t win the election. He turned a substantial part of the vocal Democrats into Blue-MAGA-hats. It is the same attitude that attacked people who pointed out the mere fact, that Biden is not mentally fit for office anymore. If the Blue-MAGA wasn’t so big, Biden could have left the field to a younger and better candidate half a year ago.

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              So you think calling everyone that does not campaign and donate to the Democrats a secret Republican is somehow normal?

              To me it is the same cultish bullshit like the blatant denial of Bidens old age and mental decline. It is the same “follow your leader no matter what” insanity that is apologetic for Trump on the other side. So yes, this kind of behaviour is MAGA behaviour and if it is done for the Dems instead of the Reps it is blue MAGA

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          Absolutely not. I will spend my time and energy and money supporting my local Democrats. The national level isn’t as important to me because Republicans in my state have veto-proof majorities in both houses and they hold the governorship. Regardless of what happens at the national level, implementation of Project 2025 began in my state about 3 years ago.

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          You couldn’t browbeat us into voting for Biden and you’ve started it right up with Harris? And now it’s not just voting it’s working the phones and door to door campaign? Am I expected to get airfare to PA too? What do I tell them when they ask where I live?

          People should support her campaign to the utmost they can, and for some people that’s right here, with their internet connection.

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      I was vocally saying biden would never drop out and we just had to swallow the poison pill. I was dead wrong. I will be voting for [insert DNC candidate] and will be excited to do it!

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      Harris ain’t perfect, but she’s not on the same mental state as Biden is.

      He did a lot of good, but he just wasn’t there anymore, he’s getting pretty old and just had the most stressful job in the world for 4 years.

      Plus he just backed Israel through every thing.

      She’ll probably do the same, but I KNOW that he’ll do it.

      Tbf I changed my mind to voting for him after he finally managed to get Ukraine more aid, so idk how everyone else will go.

      Hopefully she grabs a good VP to calm people down

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      While I don’t think Kamala is the best the Democratic party has to offer (I would have much preferred Biden endorsing Hakeem Jeffries, for example), I’m over the moon that he’s finally decided to step aside. And you know what? Harris is better than Biden in pretty much every metric that matters. I was going to vote for the Dem nominee either way, but him stepping aside in favor of a better candidate has me feeling all kinds of relieved.

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        Senator Mark Kelly, he can do this

        He flipped AZ to blue

        He is an astronaut, all American, former servicemen

        He can get red votes and blue alike

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          Isn’t senator Kelly the one that created the mutant registration act?

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          Hmm…not bad. Not amazing name recognition, but that could be remedied.

          Having Gabby campaign for/with him, especially after the DJT assassination attempt, could be beneficial, too. (Or could look like a disgusting political plot, but that’s really all our politics.)

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          Damn that would be a great pick. I’d like to see AOC but Kelly probably has more broad appeal with all the things you mentioned.

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          Kelly or Mayor Pete seem like the best options.

          Buttigieg and AOC ticket? That would be the youth candidacy. Kelly and Buttigieg or vice versa would be more centrist but probably be the most robust candidacy.

          I hate to say it, but in this political climate and with the threat of Trump, the best shot is probably two young-ish white guys.

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          I highly doubt Kamala will want to pull a sitting Democratic senator away from the 50/50 Senate given the elections coming up.

          I think there is a greater chance that she picks one of the governors. My pick is J.B. Pritzker.

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            That is true, I really was just spitballing, I’ll have to look into JB Pritzker, I’m regrettably unfamiliar with him

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          If Harris is in, she can use the money already donated. Otherwise they have to start from scratch.

          So it’s almost guaranteed Harris will be in. Who they pick for VP is the question.

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            I find this so insane. People talk about who gets to keep the money, who has which rich asshole routing for them, which strategy has been successfull in the past, like always setting up the current president for reelection…

            We need to focus on who has actually inspiring policies and ideas. We need to focus on these, because that is what the Reps lack. All they offer is “not the Dems” while the policies they propose are actually unpopular with many of their base. And the whole “Not Trump” strategy of Biden just fell apart.

            Is there noone in the Democratic party who can actually come up with a coherent vision of the future and inspire people to follow it?

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              Is there no one in the Democratic party who can actually come up with a coherent vision of the future and inspire people to follow it?

              This is why I think Pete Buttigieg should throw his hat in if they do have a primary. He just had a Bill Maher interview that just went viral because he knows how to talk to the common people. I think his visions are inspiring, he’s done a lot of work for his department, and he isn’t afraid to walk across party lines and go on Republican shows to talk about the real problems. He’s smart enough to smash Trump in a debate, calling out all his lies, and even if Trump is too scared to debate him, he has no problem laying out Trump’s lies elsewhere coherently and cognitively.

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              On the one hand: “you can’t have her she’s ours!”. On the other, she’s out in 26 regardless, and she’s pretty good so maybe we can share with the rest of the country.

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            No, they don’t. The Democratic Party can give the donated money to whoever is the candidate. Not sure where people are getting that.

            Edit: After reading up, I am mistaken kind of. If Harris is still the VP candidate, the money could be used. Otherwise a PAC would have to be setup to funnel money to the candidate…maybe. Bloomberg was simply able to transfer his campaign funds directly to the DNC since it was part of his campaign money…even though the vast majority of it was his own money.

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              The money Biden has raised directly however can only go to the people that were on his ticket at the time the donation was made

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                That’s correct, but nearly none of the money is the direct donation stuff - it’s almost in PACs which are (due to a legal fiction) entirely independent of the candidate.

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                  There are still more restrictions however on spending on other candidates and they would have to act like any other PAC, only helping via donating/running ads in support of (but importantly not directly by) any other candidate.

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              The $100 million warchest belongs to the Biden/Harris campaign, not the Democratic Party. They are separate organizations, and Biden/Harris only answers to Biden and Harris.

              The DNC has its own funds of course, but nowhere near as much. And DNC funds are supposed to be shared with multiple Democrats, not just the one running for president.

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                And notably even if Biden/Harris were supporting the alternative, they’re an outside group. They can spend like a super PAC, but can’t pay bills or do direct advertising.

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            I just don’t think she can beat big orange. I’m not saying she shouldn’t … but I don’t know … doubtful

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              He was a prosecutor for years, so she has plently of oratory chops, and shes 20 years younger than trump to boot.

              Her only liability is the she is a she and there are plently of sexist fucks out there. Thats it.

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                You forgot that she’s a POC and there are also tons of racists fucks out there.

                Even before getting to her actual credentials (some great, others really not), people will be assholes. I still have hope that she, as a former prosecutor, could mop the floor with the fascists.

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              July 11th poll:

              Americans divide 46-47% between Biden and Trump if the election were today, almost identical to a 44-46% ABC/Ipsos poll result in April. Among registered voters (though there’s plenty of time to register) it’s an absolute tie, 46-46%.

              Were Vice President Kamala Harris to replace Biden as the Democratic nominee, vote choices are 49-46%, Harris-Trump, among all adults (and 49-47% among registered voters). Harris’ 49% is slightly better than Biden’s 46%, although she doesn’t have a statistically significant lead over Trump.

              Also possibly key:

              Both candidates [Biden and Trump] face a high degree of scorn. About 4 in 10 Americans say neither has the mental sharpness or the physical health to serve effectively, and as many say neither is honest and trustworthy. Sixty percent say Trump is too old for a second term, also a new high, up from 44% in spring 2023. And in a sign of the nation’s political polarization, 50% say that given his debate performance, Trump should step aside in favor of another nominee – although, in contrast with Biden, very few of Trump’s own supporters say so.

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                You can expect Harris’s numbers to drop given she’s vulnerable to almost every criticism Biden was except age and the fact that the Trump campaign has already been preparing to attack her.

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          I don’t particularly like her, then again I detest nearly all politicians. That being said, I’m more motivated to vote, that’s for certain. I didn’t mind Biden, but it felt like elder abuse lol. He’s been better than anyone in my lifetime. Good God, I’d rather have her than Hilary as the first woman in the spot. Biden was just hard to watch and that position needs someone that will have to live with the consequences of the decisions in office. Will be curious to see who else puts their name in. 4 years ago he said he wouldn’t run again and he seems to be keeping that promise too. If they were clever, they’d put Biden as VP or as an advisor.

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          Half of America lost it’s mind when Obama was elected, and we’re still dealing with the fallout from that lovely dose of racism. There’s no way Kamala could win in this country.

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            Obama won. And then won again. Stop pumping up the reactionaries as some unstoppable force. They’re a minority and have been on a long term losing streak.

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            like all that aside, a lot of folks aren’t appreciative of her background as a cop… but yeah that’s a cherry to what you already mentioned

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              And a lot of swing voters will probably like that she was a prosecutor, a “law and order” type.

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                  She aint “black” as much as “brown.” Its an incredibly stupid hair to split, but indians are generally considered a “model minority” by racists, so it will likely hurt her but not as much as you may think.

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        This late in the game, it’s almost certainly Harris. Probably picks a swing state governor like Whitmer or Shapiro.

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          Or Mark Kelly. Regardless, it’s probably going to be a white male from a swing state to appeal to as broad of an electorate as possible.

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          Gavin is probably the least popular option of any names floated. I don’t know who likes him, apparently some people do, but it’s not anywhere near a majority of the country.

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            On top of that, you can add that there is no advantage to getting a candidate from California. This is why I never understood Harris as the VP pick. Ideally, you get someone from a swing state like Whitmer.

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      Literally any straight white man center-right democrat born after 1968 would wipe the floor with trump.

      And before anyone jumps down my throat, that’s not what I want. I want president Cortez. But presidents are chosen by money and by about 10,000 generically stupid swing voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

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        I think she’s as fine a candidate as we’re likely to get. The biggest bonus is breaking the glass ceiling, once and for ever. Not just a woman but a woman of a colorful heredity. It will be the best thing to happen in this era of bullshit politics.

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          Gretchen Whitmer would be an interesting choice. She would probably deliver Michigan and free up resources for the other states that matter.

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          No talk of issues or positions here. Just “her sex and skin color.” Maybe that will get some people out to vote, but they did the same thing for Hillary and it did not work. “First woman president, she deserves it”

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          I don’t know, that sounds awfully sexist and racist. There are a thousand things more important about a person than their heritage and sex.

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            There are a thousand things more important, and yet our country managed to have a streak of electing only men for hundreds of years, despite the fact that there have always been just as many women in the country. It shouldn’t matter, but it does.

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      I stopped donating after the debate. I sent a donation today for 3x my usual. If they only respond to money, then withholding it is the only way to make them listen.

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      This means Harris shouldn’t have an advantage. She only had the advantage that she could use the funds that Biden raised.

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    Bernie 2024, even if he dies of a heart attack first day his appointments would change the country for good and I don’t trust any party politicians on Palestine.

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        Biden just endorsed Kamala, so that much is likely. The VP will probably be one from a shortlist of 5 or so governors/senators from swing states.

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          Maybe, but then the swing state could end up with a GOP governor. That’s one reason why VPs are often from safe seats, eg Harris, Pence, Biden, Palin, Quayle…

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            The shortlist I’ve seen thrown around a lot so far is pretty much Whitmer, Shapiro, Cooper, and Kelly. Maybe someone like Beshear, but I’d call that slightly lower odds than the others. I think they will probably lean away from a 2 woman ticket too

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            This is why I’m really hoping they don’t pick Shapiro. Having three democratic governors in a row is a fluke in PA and I don’t think we’d avoid getting a Republican next.

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        That would be cool but I suspect it will be a white, straight man to balance out the ticket for the racists and sexists. Maybe someone from a swing state.

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          Yes more pandering from the DNC to the far right individuals who would never vote for a Democrat to begin with.

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            Pandering to the right, yes - but this is just how coalitions work. Obama’s ability to appeal to rank and file white workers in places like Michigan is part of how he won. A lot of Obama voters in those states voted for Trump.

            Not everyone on the right is an ideological zealot (even if those are the most visible and make up the base). Being able to pick up some votes among “center-right” voters is a long-standing electoral strategy for the Democrats.

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        As an outside observer I find it hard to believe that a place as right-wing as the US would elect a woman of colour as president. Isn’t that double red rag to the nutjob bulls?

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          We elected Obama already, and the people who are so racist/sexist that they wouldn’t vote for Harris are mostly voting Trump. Plus, her being a woman means she can go way harder on Abortion, which is a winning strategy atm since support for abortion rights is insanely high and Republicans are actively trying to ban it completely.

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        Hot damn I had forgotten about a new vp pick in the middle of all this. AOC won’t be it but needs to be.

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        that would be great, but there’s no way they double down on minorities and women in the same ticket. get ready for a biden jr as the VP.

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        Seeing AOC oddly shill for Biden before he dropped out… which I’d expect from Pelosi, Schumer & Schiff, but not from her. She may actually be trying to get the VP spot.

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          She just did the calculus that Biden was our best shot, due to a whole shitton of different factors from Biden’s support among elderly voters, union support, money raised, polls being pretty crap for a few cycles now, shit like that.

          Now there will be logistical challenges, we have a lot of uncertainty ahead. She wanted to avoid that until we got some better answers.

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            Biden bros: No one has a plan if Biden drops out. Everyone else: Here is our plan. Biden bros still: No one has a plan if Biden drops out.

            Plan was open convention where delegates decide.

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                What is better… knowing Biden would lose to Trump, or being uncertain who the delegates will choose before the convention?

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                  Nobody knew for sure Biden would lose and nobody knows for sure that whoever is picked will win. It was high uncertainty all along.

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          Or you could read her arguments, which were direct and pragmatic. She was talking about how difficult this would be logistically, and that it would have been better to do 6 months ago, you know, when the progressive wing of the party raised the issue.

          AOC was “shilling” for some consistency, backbone and party unity out of a pragmatic need to beat back fascism. Now that this choice has been made, I’m betting she will continue with the same intent.

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            Further, Bernie and AOC are rather well aware that the progressive wing of the party would likely be blamed for “party disunity” if Biden stayed in and lost. They will not do anything to let the DNC scapegoat their caucus.

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            Biden was going to lose and he was making other Democrats lose. What did you expect the party to do, unite behind losing to Trump?

            AOC was prob smart, saw Biden didn’t believe he was going to lose and saw an opportunity before it played out.

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          Which is hilarious because Pelosi, Schumer, and Schiff were all against Biden continuing in the race…

          AOC understands politics and thinks things through, that’s it.

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            AOC has always been considered an outsider to Democrat leadership. She prob was thinking things through, but I don’t think it is because she thought Biden was going to win.

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          Imo she’s trying to shield progressives from being the scapegoat, like how we got the blame for dem dysfunction in '16.

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          Politics is about getting the things you want, not dunking on people that disagree with you on a couple of things. You gotta compromise with people to get what you want. People feel like being uncompromising is somehow admirable, but in politics it means you get nothing. MAGAs are uncompromising, and they get a lot of likes on social media for it, but they’ve accomplish exactly nothing after winning the House in 2022.

          Biden has been good for the progressive wing of the party, and they may not get as good of a deal with Harris as they did with Biden. They will have to negotiate compromises with someone new and may not get as much.

          So do you rather politicians compromising and getting something to benefit you, or grandstanding and accomplishing nothing except providing a small amount of entertainment for you?

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            Biden has seriously hurt the party. If they enthrone Kamala without doing some balanced process to have her debate or compete against anyone else, and she somehow beats Trump then… I fully expect Republicans to take the House & Senate because of the damage Biden did to the party.

            Politics is about compromise. I fully agree with you on that. To get things passed, you actually have to call up Republicans and ask them if they’ll try to work with you and what their vision is, and what they’d like to do… and try to come to an agreement.

            AOC has likely done the same here. She saw an opportunity to get something or to help progressives in some way, which required taking a backseat for a little while, but ultimately she’ll get something in return. I get it and understand that. It was just surprising.

            The DNC & Clinton seriously damaged the Democrat party in 2016, and Biden has restored some consistency, but it shifted significantly the right after that. Lest not forget Biden gleefully supporting a genocidal maniac and sending weapons to kill thousands of children. Its pretty sad when Democrats argue that more children would have died under Trump, so that somehow makes it okay.

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      I think bernie could wipe the floor with any sitting senator of any age he comes up against but with bidens age and recent performance there is no way you will convince everyone with bernies age factor.

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    It’s

    Joever

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          Trump will visibly age on stage like Palpatine from the absolute roasting Harris would do to him

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          Both candidates are experiencing decline, and if Biden were elected and incapable of doing the job it would have resulted in a Harris Presidency anyway. It’s such an odd thing to object over. We’ve had presidents in decline before and the country kept running just fine, (FDR, Reagan.)

          Biden did a fine job in office, I’m especially proud of his union support, and his policies were spot on in my opinion. To throw him under the bus like this seems really shitty.

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          Do you think debates are really going to sway voters at this point? Like the people considering Trump don’t already know what a blowhard he is?

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        People don’t know much about Kamala yet. That will now change very dramatically. Biden had hit his ceiling, a known quantity that everyone already knew very well. Harris has room to climb.

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          That’s something I think some people just missed when Biden dropping out was debated. Of course, the other potential picks were polling behind him at that point. But he was showing clear signs that he had peaked, and would only be able to fight not to drop further. His most powerful argument had been not being Trump - which any candidate can wield. And any candidate with charisma and the ability to speak, debate and campaign has a lot of room to move up, whereas Biden was fighting not to move down.

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        This is a hilarious misreading of polling data. Kamala may not win, but her percentage chance to win might be double or more of what Bidens was.

        People I follow were estimating Biden at 10-15% by the time the election rolled around. All the models assume that a candidate would run a normal campaign. Something that he is not capable of doing.

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        The argument that I’ve seen made is that her approval rating will rise if she becomes the candidate.

        I’m not sure how realistic that is, but it’s the one that was made.

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    As much as I think that he was too old for the position… JFC. If the Dems don’t nominate Kamala Harris as his replacement, the entire Democratic nomination will be filled with so much infighting that they will lose the faith of their electorate and the next election.

    If only more Dems were left-of-centre such that Bernie was a viable option. Unfortunately almost all of them are right-lite.

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    Welp they must have looked at the data and saw Kamala or someone else would do significantly better. Hope they’re right.

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      It’s basically 50/50 with either Biden or Harris at the top of the ticket. Everything is in the margin of error, and polling has been notoriously inaccurate with Trump on the ballot.

      So you have to basically ignore the simple Trump vs. Biden or Trump vs. Harris or (Trump vs. anyone else you can think of) numbers because it’s pretty much unknown. But the data says a majority (even an majority of Democrats) want someone other than Biden on the ballot at election. BTW a majority of voters also want someone other than Trump on the ballot too.

      There’s also some data to suggest Trump is making some inroads with young male Black and Hispanic voters. Harris will negate a significant amount of that immediately and potentially even more when the GOP can’t resist blowing their racist dog whistles and show voters who they really are.

      So it’s kinda about looking at the data, but I think a large part of it is simple campaign facts. In times past a Presidential candidate would do two (sometimes three) rallies in two different states per day. And do interviews while traveling between campaign events. Trump isn’t capable of that pace. Biden most certainly isn’t capable of that pace. Harris can do that. We really haven’t seen a 100% balls to the wall presidential campaign in a while because it’s been two old guys in the last election and in this one… until now.

      Remember Biden also had to do the job of being President of the country while also campaigning. That’s a lot of work for even someone young, and Biden is so very old. Sure Harris is VP, but that’s mostly just getting some briefings (too keep up on events in case she might need to take over as Prez) and breaking ties in the Senate (which probably won’t be needed between now and election day). She can devote almost all of her time to campaigning while Biden couldn’t.

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      I hope so and if true we have to trust the data. My vote is solid blue based on virtues and most policies. There’s probably a lot of others like me.

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    In 2016 it was a “Vote Against Trump Regardless Of Who It Is”. It’s shaping up to be that again, but this gives me hope that maybe we’ll have someone we can vote for that we like… Even if just a little. Harris is no Obama in charm, but it’s a step in the right direction.