• TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)@lemmy.world
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    One thing I noticed, and you can check this for yourself too, is that American media outlets constantly refer to her as ‘Elon Musks transgender daughter’, and it really bothers me it’s not just ‘Elon Musks Daughter.’

    So I checked, and the BBC, CTV News (canadian), CBC (also canadian) all just refer to her as his daughter.

    I absolutely love that she’s bringing the lumber, but I could really do with news organizations not using that as her identifier. She’s not ‘Elon Musk’s transgender daughter.’ She’s Vivian Jenna Wilson, she doesn’t even consider Elon her father. I’ll let her speak for herself here:

    (From her name change):

    “I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form,” she wrote on the petition.

    “I would like to emphasize one thing: I am an adult,” she said, according to NBC. “I am 20 years old. I am not a child. My life should be defined by my own choices.”

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      I suspect that it’s more for “engagement” and clickbait than malice from the headline writer.

      that is if you don’t think that this kind of communication isn’t harmful to the human race at least. Which it is. Obviously.

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        I agree it’s not to intentionally target her maliciously, but it is malicious: how does the story change if you just say ‘daughter’? If she was a Catholic convert would it be ‘Elon Musks Transgender Catholic Daughter’? I understand part of his hatred towards her is that she’s transgendered, but we don’t have to allow that. And as I said, other news agencies aren’t (all) doing that.

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      I do by best to try to refer to her as his ex daughter. Maybe it’s just my own relationship with my own disowning but it’s definitely a valuable distinction imo

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          Yeah I think by calling her his ex daughter it’s an acknowledgment that the father shaped wound on her is an aching scar not something that’s going to heal nice and fine. A lot of people like to respond to disowning like it’s definitely going to be temporary and everything will be fine again. It does tend to be temporary, but sometimes it isn’t and it’s healthy to deal with it as if it probably won’t be but might be. It’s not comforting to hear it probably will be anyways. And even if the connection is reestablished it’s always going to bear that damage. The baseline level of trust that parents are supposed to have of being your first and most secure source of support and love is gone.

          I do not expect Ms. Wilson and Mr. Musk to ever reconcile. His behavior towards her has been atrocious as was his behavior towards her mother. Furthermore Mr. Musk seems to be completely incapable of accepting responsibility for his bad behavior.

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      I resonate with your sentiment and applaud you bringing it up, but in this case I feel it’s pretty relevant to the story. It’s the trans aspect that caused Musk to say a bunch of shitty stuff about her to begin with. If the story was about her winning the lottery or something else unrelated, I’d be 100% with you.

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        My point is their legitimizing his reasoning. They’re saying this is the reason he did it. Let him say that. Never let him try to shy away from it, make it so if he’s going to misgender/deadname/etc he’s openly doing it.

        Think about it, the story title should go:

        “Elon Musks daughter speaks out about her fathers homophobia, bigotry, etc”

        Let him try to legitimize it and fail, don’t give him the step up first. Make him look like the lunatic he is for raving about his ‘dead son’ or whatever, let him hang himself with his own rope. She even says:

        “I would like to emphasize one thing: I am an adult,” she said, according to NBC. “I am 20 years old. I am not a child. My life should be defined by my own choices.”

        She had no choice in this at all, she is who she is, so we need to stop helping make a minor part of her identity her identifying characteristic.

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          I agree with what you’re saying to a point. As a trans person, the media doesn’t care about us, we’re nothing more than a headline to them. But saying she’s trans doesn’t legitimize anything. The sad truth is that this is the reason he did it. Highlighting the fact that his daughter is trans just shows the hypocrisy of saying you’re all about family values while spewing hateful rhetoric about your own family.

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          I don’t personally feel it legitimizes it at all, but regardless, journalists should report all the relevant facts, not withhold some to make a point. Her being trans is relevant to the story. If I read a news article on it that didn’t report that, and then I found out later, if probably stop reading that publication because it would have been shown to be withholding facts to make some point.

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    14 words breeder shit

    For those who don’t get the reference, she’s calling him a literal NAZI.

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        Wow, what a load of crap. I wonder if Musk really talked about that stuff, which would be taking his shittiness to the next level.

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          He talks about it openly. “Falling birthrates” and “the great replacement” are dog whistles for “white genocide”. They’re talking about how “the white race” is going to “lose” because the white people are outnumbered by people of color.

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            It’s such garbage. I’m not sure why anyone cares about anyone else’s skin tone. I’m lilly white, but I wouldn’t care at all if everyone in the world was an even brown at some future time. Why would I?

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              A lot of people cope by convincing themselves they’re innately “better” than some outgroup. For some people it’s music taste, for some people it’s skin color, etc. A lot of it is subtle bigotry learned during childhood from media and parents. Elon grew up in apartheid South Africa with a father who owned part of an emerald mine, I feel like that could explain a lot.

              There’s also something to be said about the addictive nature of conspiracy theories. Elon was always a “wacky guy” or whatever but there was definitely a point where he went from a typical rich dick to whatever the fuck this is and he seems like he’s pretty far down the “aliens built the pyramids” to “jewish people run the world” pipeline.

              @elonmusk tweets "There is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye" about an article titled "The Awful Truth: Paul Pelosi Was Drunk Again, And In a Dispute With a Male Prostitute Early Friday..." from smobserved.com

              transcription: @elonmusk tweets “There is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye” about an article titled “The Awful Truth: Paul Pelosi Was Drunk Again, And In a Dispute With a Male Prostitute Early Friday…” from smobserved.com

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              white supremacy is deeply ingrained in US history and culture. It’s what the country has been about for 100s of years, it’s why the US committed genocide, it’s why lynching was a family picnic affair. It’s not going to slowly fade away. If it isn’t explicitly stamped out, it’s here to stay.

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      Oh. Those 14 words. I thought there was another set of words specifically against child free people.

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      I appreciate you remembering not everyone is tuned into this stuff to the same degree. I just immediately thought “oh, he’s a nazi? That scans” when I saw the 14 words reference.

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    You know what, I think Elon’s kid is gonna turn out alright.

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        Yea, I mean she is 20 years old and has her shit together more than many of my friends who are at least a decade older. She’s definitely alright.

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      She’s Elon’s kid, and she had to suffer through being trans in a society that doesn’t broadly accept it (and at least one parent who doesn’t), so she’s got a lot going against her, but she sure seems to speak out with self confidence, so I hope she’s one of those who was able to just grow from the hardships.

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    Don’t forget who you were Elon. Trying to erase an image, almost like you no longer feel like that person anymore (or maybe never did)

    Deleted Forever Elon

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    Sometimes I doubt my skills as a father. Then I read shit like this and realize I’m doing alright.

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      I tell a lot of new parents that kids are amazingly resilient, so when you inevitably make mistakes, they’ll likely be fine. On the other hand, they’re amazingly sensitive and perceptive, so no matter how good of a job you do, you’ll probably leave then with at least minor issues. I mean, if someone you know has zero emotional issues, it probably means you don’t know them that well.

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      Same. As with so many things in life, giving a shit and showing up get you like 80% of the way there.

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    language of the enemy

    what have we done to him? I hate him even more than I did before reading this.

    Edit: I didn’t expect my comment to track. I may as well take this opportunity to post a Chrisitan Arab’s perspective on Arabic

    Consider a language spoken by Christians for more than fifteen hundred years. Its early masters composed exquisite poetry, pioneering a tradition that still flourishes today. Many of the great works of Christian thought were composed in this language; many of the most significant texts of philosophy, medicine, and astronomy were preserved in it. The Bible could be read in it for centuries before it could be read in English, French, German, or Spanish. Today it is spoken and written across Europe and North America, as well as Asia and Africa; it features prominently in modern political thought and advocacy. I am speaking, of course, of Arabic.

    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2024/08/arabic-a-christian-language

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      I think it’s the most beautiful and elegant looking writing system, as someone who can neither read nor speak it.

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        It is also true that “many” Westerners are more enlightened than that, but the ones that aren’t always shout the loudest.

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          There are both many racist westerners and many enlightened ones.

          Beware the hazard of minimizing how many of our countrymen are extremely racist. It’s more prevalent than you might think. We know exactly what Elon is saying because we all know an asshole like that.

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          The thing about many is that many people can think one thing while many can think otherwise. The fact that I still get thanked by Arab strangers for treating them like people indicates that it wasn’t some tiny minority of westerners. From what I’ve heard from Arabs and people mistaken for Arabs (such as Iranians and Muslim desi folks) a loud and significant minority were/are actively racist towards Arabs that was significantly larger during the early 00s. But also there’s a lot of passive racism, stuff like assuming Arabs don’t want to be friends, neighbors, or colleagues. Stuff like assuming Arabs’ views on various things.

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          I’m sorry to disappoint you but a sizeable proportion of westerners in my humble experience are racist towards Arabs and Muslims. It’s literally the core of the platform under which the extreme right wing thrives in Europe

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    The reason why he hasn’t sued her for libel is because he knows her lawyers would mop the floor with him with the disclosure.

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    One of the core values of conservatism is removing regulations and protections for regular people against corporations, and giving them more power. That’s what Elon believes in. The rest of it, like the “family values” and “religious rights” are just a smoke screen for the voters.

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      One of the core values of conservatism capitalism

      FTFY ;) But yeah I think you’re onto something. There is, I suspect, a kind of self delusion. He really only pursues power and ideology is merely a tool he uses. He’s feeling the pressure economically because he likes the role of the captain of industry but he’s starting to fuck up more and more with Tesla and SpaceX. So is growing extremism in the recent years isn’t part of a rational thought or honest ideology but a narcissistic rationalization. He wants to continue being powerful and accumulating more power so he has to counter by embracing the more extreme ideology. But he doesn’t really give a fuck about family, economy, society or anything.

      If he only kept his mouth shut about politics and continued with his ideas I’d be fine with him being a flawed and scummy entrepreneur that still manages to move and change our global industry. Even if he steals the accomplishments of others and lies and over-promises he acts as an effective mouthpiece for ideas I like. He would have had a flawed legacy.

      But instead he became this monstrosity.

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          Well I really neither mean conservatism or capitalism but greed. Not an ideology at all. As a Sith might say it: There is only power. And those that seek power at all cost, and those who want other things. (same goes for power, wealth or influence). Ideology is just an interchangeable tool, not a belief.

          Unfortunately anyone seeking power for “other things” like wanting to make things better has to compete with people who knowingly or unknowingly don’t really give a shit about anything.

          Anyway, outside current US politics conservatism really only means to continuing to do things the way they have been done so far and / or change things slowly. And actual conservative today would want to continue the social democratic system that made the US great, e.g. affordable healthcare, low education and university costs, high vertical mobility. Keep doing what works instead of trying to reinvent the wheel with crazy new and untested ideas. Theoretically conservatism is a perfectly valid and honorable approach to governance that you can compromise on.

          Today’s republicans are said to be reactionary or “paleo-conservative”, that want to go back to the times pre new deal. They are not conservatives at all.

          But really they are neither, they are just greedy or power hungry, completely self serving. They believe in nothing.

          I suspect most are on the lower spectrum of sentience, and some people like Trump aren’t even able to self-reflect at all and are permanently trapped in a kind of psychotic break. Like Musk they are intelligent and continue to optimize for their power seeking behavior but have made their minds completely subservient to the one ring power/money/influence.

          Sorry for the long rant lol

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    Social network and big data, Cambridge Analytica never died, it prospered like a hydra who only got one of its heads cut off. People who only went online to affirm their beliefs are now getting herded into like minded crazies and airheads that serve their purpose as subgroups of artificial movements. And nothing is going to be done about it because astrosurfing is a cornerstone of capitalism, apparently.

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      and imagine achieving this with Elon as your parent, it is like starting a race of becoming a sensible person with a -10 penalty

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          I think it’s the opposite, I think Musk had immense influence on her. Not connecting with your child is also influencing the child. She knows firsthand what a horrible person he is and has probably reflected on that to not be like him.