• PopOfAfrica@lemmy.one
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    10 months ago

    Again, they are “left wingers” supporting far right regimes. Its not that big a consipracy

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        10 months ago

        No? Where on earth did i suggest they were.

        Modern Russia and China, however, are incredibly right wing, which hexbear users support full throatedly

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          Go ask them for their opinions about Russia and China. You’ll get unanimous agreement that Putin is a homophobic capitalist reactionary and Russia is not a socialist or left-wing state. For China, you’ll get disagreements, but most of the takes will be pretty nuanced either way. Some believe Deng’s reforms were necessary to avoid economic strangulation, others are deeply suspicious of the direction China is headed.

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          10 months ago

          See, this is exactly what I mean by “I understand them so little that they must be the opposition in disguise”

          If you tried at all, youd understand that they’re position on “modern day Russia and China” is based on the idea of critical support. They evaluate policy decisions against “does this bring the working class closer to solidarity or not”.

          I.e. on the Ukraine war, their position is basically “U.S. Involvement in any war is a net-negative to worker solidarity in the country of question”. None there support Russia’s invasion, but they think Americas involvement spells the end of any socialist coalition to begin with.

          But again, “I understand them so little they must be a part of the opposition”. They have a different (definitively leftist) understanding of the war than you do. Doesn’t make them right-wing.

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            10 months ago

            They evaluate policy decisions against “does this bring the working class closer to solidarity or not”.

            When it comes to Russia bombing their cities and raping their women and children, is that positively or negatively influencing working class solidarity?

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              10 months ago

              Negatively.

              When it comes to supplying lethal aid to Ukraine to continue the war, though, they’d also say negatively.

              For the record I don’t agree, but that is their position and I understand it.

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                10 months ago

                Yeah, well when Hexbear hears that wives and daughters are being raped and says “giving Ukrainians weapons to help them defend their families from being raped is bad for worker solidarity”, it makes Hexbear look like a bunch of rape apologizists.

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                  10 months ago

                  I’m not sure why people are surprised that a group largely made up of ML leftists would have a flippant attitude toward geopolitical violence.

                  My main point is, still, that accusing them of being “right wing” just because you don’t understand their ideological stance is dumb.

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                    10 months ago

                    Basically the only difference between ML and the alt-right is that the alt-right wants violence against “libtards”, and ML’s want violence against “shitlibs”, while being insufferably snobby about pretending to be morally superior because they didn’t use an abliest slur.

                    It’s like you just took a fascist and put them on a liberal’s moral high horse.