This is not an anti-Kindle rant. I have purchased (rented?) several Kindle titles myself.

However, YSK that you are only licensing access to the book from Amazon, you don’t own it like a physical book.

There have been cases where Amazon deletes a title from all devices. (Ironically, one version of “1984” was one such title).

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html

There have also been cases where a customer violated Amazon’s terms of service and lost access to all of their Kindle e-books. Amazon has all the power in this relationship. They can and do change the rules on us lowly peasants from time to time.

Here are the terms of use:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201014950

Note, there are indeed ways to download your books and import them into something like Calibre (and remove the DRM from the books). If you do some web searches (and/or search YouTube) you can probably figure it out.

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    You are right I get my books for my kindle from torrents. I do not own them. I also don’t pay for them.

    (Also library has epubs, librarys are great)

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    I have a few kindles, have upgraded over the years and have been able to use them all in the same manner:

    With a new device I connect it to the internet and update the firmware to the latest version (the factory installed version has had a lot of missing functionality in my experience). Then I block it from my network, delete the AP entry and put it permanently into airplane mode.

    When purchasing an ebook from Amazon you can download it for usb transfer and I organize it on my laptop with Calibre.

    Calibre can also strip drm, but if you’re transferring it to the device you downloaded it for it isn’t necessary.

    Amazon may at some point in the future change all of this, but the content I have already downloaded can not be revoked and is usable outside the Amazon ecosystem if the drm is removed.

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      If it’s on a kindle they can and will delete it off your device, Drm or no

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      I hate that pirating is the ONLY way to even semi own what you buy. Bought an album off Bandcamp (DRM free music) and when one of the songs on that album got in a pointless argument about copyright and got taken down from my Spotify playlists.

      Songs being taken off of Spotify is really common if you’re into older stuff as the rights get passed on when the artist dies. Though in this case it was a year old album.

      I was glad I bought it DRM free as I thought they could only unlist it from the store, not from libraries… until I saw it was gone there too.
      I payed MONEY for them to take it out of my library on a DRM free site. That’s like them taking my music CD and scratching it with sandpaper.

      Pirating literally gives me the same experience as buying it for literally no issue. (except the lossless files but who cares)

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        For ebooks in particular, owning what you buy isn’t that difficult though. You can legally buy DRM protected epubs in a lot of online book stores and then use the software calibre (open source) to strip the DRM. Much easier than with music, movies or software.

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        I‘d recommend the software calibre. Great for managing your ebook library and it can convert epub into amazons azw, mobi or kfx formats (depending on which generation kindle you have). With the right plugin you can even create WordWise data for your kindle-converted ebooks.

        You don’t even necessarily need to illegally download the books, as calibre can also handle the DRM of .ebub books you bought from almost any store. Of course, sailing the seven seas is still always an option though.

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    same goes for steam, epic launcher, etc. with the exception of gog (though generally if steam removes a game, they at least let you keep your copy if you already own it)

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      GoG, and physical games are only licenses as well. If you have any physical games from the era of instruction manuals you can find it laid out clearly inside, generally towards the end.

      But GoG’s offline installers and physical games can’t be taken from you by the publisher etc (servers for online games and updates aside).

      Neither can installed copies of games if you write protect the files, back them up where the launcher can’t get to them, etc. Licensing, DRM, and legality really aren’t the defining factors here. There are shades of better or worse, but at the end of the day it’s about simply being able to back up the media in a form that can’t be touched by the corporations.

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    I came to the same realization about my audiobooks through audible, so I’ve archived my audible account and now they can’t take my books :D

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      Readarr + calibre makes it very convenient and easy (the rest of the arr suite is great for other forms of media too)

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        Too bad there’s no easy way for a tech illiterate dumb person such as myself to read a step-by-fucking-step instruction to get it all working for myself.

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          You basically need 3 things: readarr, a torrent client, and a VPN.

          There are plenty of step by step guides and videos for most things, especially popular tools like this. The servarr wiki has install and setup instructions for all of the core arr suite apps as well, both install guides and quick start guides: https://wiki.servarr.com/readarr

          Qbittorrent (torrent client) is also easy to install on windows or Linux: https://www.qbittorrent.org/ . You’re also welcome to pick another one, I just like qbittorrent.

          Vpn installs vary from vpn to vpn, but pretty much all of them should also contain step by step install instructions

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    YSK, finding and installing mobi files are easy. Also, keeping your Kindle in airplane mode prevents ads. Fuck Amazon. Calibre is a great open source piece of software.

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      I’m glad you mentioned airplane mode. I noticed something interesting about my Kindle after I set up a Pi Hole on my home network. The kindle would constantly try to connect to the Amazon mothership. Because the Pi Hole was blocking it, it would try it over and over again and this quickly depleted the batteries (maybe trying to boost it’s WiFi signal? I’m not sure). Putting it into Airplane mode helps preserve battery life noticeably, back to what it was before I installed the Pi Hole.

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    Ugh. I was looking for a Book and found it on Barnes and Noble. according to the blurb I was supposed to be able to download it after purchase. But after purchasing it I quickly found out that you can only download it if you have the Nook app. Which isn’t available in Canada. Where I’m from.

    I was able to find the .apk and install it on my phone but the whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth.

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      I’m an author of two books, and whenever someone asks me for a copy (or even says they want to read it), I straight-up hand them a free ebook. I just want people to read me.

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      As someone who publishes on Amazon if you buy my book and Amazon takes it from you PM I will send said customer a epub version for free.

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    it’s the same with Google Books. you can’t copy text from the book you bought into your notes. you’re not allowed to copy text. i want to buy books legitimately for my research, but i cant use any of this shit.

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      What do you mean? Bookmarks with no labels and highlights with no indexing isn’t enough for you? What do you want, integration of open source note taking software with Google Books?!? That’s ridiculous, nobody would ever use that…

      Okay but for real. I got through college using One Note’s snip tool to take pictures of the text and paste it into my digital notes. So that’s a way to do it. It does suck that we have all this tech but we won’t let it talk to each other because rich people have to get richer, even around academia.

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    I use Calibre to remove the DRM from all ebooks I buy. Not that I buy a lot of them, but hell if I’ll let Amazon be the keeper of the keys.

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      Yup, making a DRM-free backup somewhere is the only way to protect the content you paid for from the whims of the overlords.

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    So Kobo is the way to go then?

    I’m really asking, my daughter is becoming a big book worm and we have missed out on some great sales because she only reads physical books ATM. I want her to give it a try with an e-ready and did not like Amazon for it.

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      I use Pocketbook. It opens just about anything - epub, mobi, pdf, pdb, and many more formats. Just get a book anywhere and copy it via USB. Or send it as an email attachment to your special address and it will download automatically. You can even replace the reading app with another relatively easily, if you want.

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      Kobo has direct access to your public library too through Overdrive. Makes borrowing ebooks super easy!

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    Is there an ebook service like GOG is for games? DRM free so you can keep the books regardless of what happens to the service?

    (I know it’s easy enough to remove it, but I’d rather support a service like that if I can)

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      Any of the third party reading apps and any epub file you store yourself. So if you buy an ebook from Amazon but get the epub version instead of Kindle then it’s protected from deletion. This is because you store it like any other document and your epub reader just reads the file.

      DRM fuckery means your mileage will vary.