The more I think about the Jonkler 2 the more I realize just how good it was. People say it’s done as a reaction to the first film, that it tries to back away from the type of people who related it to it. If anything, I thought it doubled down on its messaging, only that it actually spelled it out in this movie.
This movie is bleak, one of the most depressing films I’ve seen maybe ever, and it truly had a lasting, saddening effect on me. While the first was entertaining in its escapism, this one is relentless in pushing the idea of pure despair. Over and over again it tries to reminds you there is no virtue to mentall illness, there is no glamour, and there is zero hope for anything better for anyone afflicted with it in this country. It feels like whiplash to people, as if it’s completely disjointed from the first but damn, I think it makes duology a masterpiece.
The saddest thing is that the first had to make like a billion dollars, under the guise of cape shit, for this one to be made.
I recently listened to a review of the film on the Pod Damn America podcast which expressed somewhat similar sentiments.
I was surprised by the generally poor reviews coming out after hearing this review which praised it for portraying a more sober and somber depiction of mental illness than what audiences had expected.
I have yet to see either the original or this sequel, but I’ll admit the more favorable reviews of this sequel make me want to set aside a few hours to give them some attention.
I think both movies are worth it. The second one appears to have less mass appeal, but I thought it was a great movie. I think in time this movie will be rehabilitated by the general public and you’ll have people who are bashing it now saying they always liked it.
You can make more money with a flop than with a hit!
I get this reference
Imagine making 20 millions as a director to lose 200
Meh the director already got paid. Producers are taking the monetary hit on this one. Probably won’t be a good sign for the director’s career moving forward though.
I’m sure he’ll survive, somehow.
Yes, the director definitely got his salary, but the money is still going to be lost by the studio
Fuck it, I’d do it for $2 mil.
I mean he also made the first one that made a billion.
Good point
I liked the movie a lot.
Yeah it would have worked if they waited another 5 years before trying to beat the horse for nostalgia value. They were impatient.
People saw the first film as a novel concept with a new exciting take on a classic character. People are going to see the sequel as something… not fresh.
Exciting is not a word I would use to describe the Joker movie.
From stairs dancing to shooting talk show hosts, I think a lot of people would disagree with you.
The penguin origin story is another shoe-in I feel. I don’t see it mentioned often. Is it decent it drab?
No, the Penguin is actually really good.
I see, thnx!
In an interview Todd Philips said he and Joaquin had no plans for a second movie until Joaquin had a dream about doing a second movie
Maybe dreams should actually remain memes.
It was actually not bad. It stumbled on the ending but did a lot of things well for the DC universe’s « La La Land. »
Didn’t even know this movie had been announced until I’d heard it was bombing. I never watched the first one so odds were pretty slim I’d have seen it anyway.
I haven’t seen it but was looking forward to it until I heard it’s a musical. Just why
Apparently the director didn’t want to do a sequel so he came up with a bad idea that he thought the studio would never go for, but they did.
I have heard this too, but I think it could also be that the director kinda got lucky with the first movie. I enjoyed the first movie, but it didn’t really feel original, it just seemed to borrow ideas from other movies and those ideas just worked cohesively enough. None of Todd Phillips other movies feel that original either.
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I did watch it, although I had been warned. I figured the calls of it being a musical had to be inflated - they weren’t. If you cut the singing, you’ll have about half the runtime.
That in and of itself isn’t even bad, albeit not my cup of tea. However what really annoyed me, was that NOTHING happened. It was basically a slice of psychic ward life story. One with an explosive but blue-balled ending. It was basically just the script writers trying to make Lady Gaga sing a lot - well a job well done I suppose.
It actually annoys me a lot, because the cast was great and delivered exceptionally well in their acting. The premise and setting also had a lot of potential, but what we got was more of an art-house low-budget movie with great actors but terrible script
A psychic ward? Now that would make for an interesting story. Joker can now see into the future.
roughly $100 million to market and distribute.
And yet this is the first time I’m hearing that it’s out
It’s because you use uBlock Origin and don’t subscribe to cable.
Plus, you’re on the Fediverse, where there are even less opportunities for advertising than centralized social media.
It’s still regularly discussed on this community
True. Maybe @rothaine@beehaw.org isn’t a regular member of this community.
I just don’t understand. The first was a novelty that did surprisingly well, I had no expectation that this would be anywhere as successful. Who’s making these estimates?
I don’t think a Joker movie is really much of a novelty? Just a superhero film that looks at an origin story for the most popular comic villain of all time.
Compared to most movies… it was weird. I enjoyed my time with it but didn’t care what happened after the credits rolled. I don’t know anyone that was looking forward to this, most didn’t even know about it.
At least the first one had the stairs meme!
I loved the first one. The second one I immediately did not care about the moment I heard that it was a musical. At first I thought they were joking.
Don’t get me wrong, the first was a good movie! It was also what I expected going in: a slow character piece about some guy turning into a crazy Batman villain.
I didn’t know the sequel was a musical, what an odd decision!
That’s okay. In a year or two they’ll call it a “cult classic” and make another anyway.
No, they won’t. It’ll never be a cult classic.
