True, but there are there differing approaches to socialism: MLs want authoritarian socialism (government runs everything), while Democratic Socialists usually want a hybrid of market socialism (co-ops) and government run socialism for needs that free market co-ops cannot address. And then there are libertarian socialists who want only worker owned co-ops and syndicates. Finally, we have SocDems that want indirect socialism where strong regulations and labor protections try to achieve socialist goals through capitalism.
I consider myself quite a lefty, but really fall into the DemSoc range of things. Not far left enough for hexbear or .ml, and too far left for any other groups, really. I hate being so reluctant to post on .ml communities just to avoid a blanket ban, but it is what it is. Just kinda sucks.
Oh, so is my syndicalist ass a centrist? What about my mutualist wife? There’s the MLs vs the MLMs (who almost nuked each other). We managed to form two separate armies in most socialist revolutions
You would not believe how hard the Lemmy Lefties try to gatekeep the word “Left” behind their exact subset of beliefs. Right up to the point where they just ban you from their instance…
Mostly that works because what the establishment thinks of as left is really centralist. Real leftists would advocate for socialism.
Of course the US goes even further into the insane category by basically just having everyone be right-wing with different flavors.
True, but there are there differing approaches to socialism: MLs want authoritarian socialism (government runs everything), while Democratic Socialists usually want a hybrid of market socialism (co-ops) and government run socialism for needs that free market co-ops cannot address. And then there are libertarian socialists who want only worker owned co-ops and syndicates. Finally, we have SocDems that want indirect socialism where strong regulations and labor protections try to achieve socialist goals through capitalism.
I consider myself quite a lefty, but really fall into the DemSoc range of things. Not far left enough for hexbear or .ml, and too far left for any other groups, really. I hate being so reluctant to post on .ml communities just to avoid a blanket ban, but it is what it is. Just kinda sucks.
Oh, so is my syndicalist ass a centrist? What about my mutualist wife? There’s the MLs vs the MLMs (who almost nuked each other). We managed to form two separate armies in most socialist revolutions
There’s nothing more leftist than saying other leftists aren’t real leftists. Congratulations.
Only socialism? Fucking LIB! A real Leftist would have advocated for Communism!
The political spectrum is two-dimensional not one-dimensional. Left is a position on just one axes, communism exists on an entirely different vector.
You would not believe how hard the Lemmy Lefties try to gatekeep the word “Left” behind their exact subset of beliefs. Right up to the point where they just ban you from their instance…
The horseshoe is very real.
Did you do that on purpose? Illustrate the truth of the joke by no-true-Scotsmaning leftism, I mean? Because if so, bravo, and if not, lol
Yes, I agree, but the joke works because even *Real* leftists can’t agree what is Socialism and/or how to make it happen.