With the US result some friends and I have been discussing who the worst PM was/is.

  • For me it was Howard. He was really effective at furthering many neo liberal economic policies to fuck over anyone not born in to wealth. Sure some of the more recent PMS have been more embarrassing and stupid (scummo, abbot) but Howard was an absolute arsehole.

    He brought in the capital gains tax discount for real estate which when combined with the existing negative gearing policy was/is a major contributor driving investors to real estate thus making property become unaffordable. Not to mention it’s just so unfair inequitable. Why the fuck should a person who buys existing houses pay less tax on money gained from that than someone who actually produces something of value does on their income?

    He was the political equivalent of the FIFO miner spending all his cash on a Malloo, jet ski and glass BBQ party. Howard pissed the early - mid 2000s mining boom proceeds up the wall on middle class welfare. Instead we could have had a future fund like Norway. To be fair every politician we have had since has either been too corrupt or scared to attempt anything like that.

    Howard also realised he could fuck over unions by bringing in masses of extra workers via record immigration in order to lower wages. (Added Bonus this increased demand on real estate too) He won’t be remembered for that on immigration, instead he will be remembered for his “boat people” rhetoric. It was like a magicians distraction, look at these bad immigrants, meanwhile opening the floodgate for “good” immigrants.

    He sold telecom setting our internet tech back at least a decade.

    He dragged us in to the middle east wars like a good little lapdog for George dubbya.

    He started the erosion of Medicare to please his private health fund donors.

    As a millennial, not born in to 1% wealth, Howard and the liberal parties message to me has always been “go fuck yourself”. I will never put liberal anywhere but the bottom of the ballot. Potato head might be fantasising about winning the votes of the working class by paying lip service to some issues we face and then campaigning against social issues we don’t care about. I don’t think that many of us are so foolish to think that the liberals will ever be anything but the party for the elite. Even then they are only the party for the honest elite, that wear their arseholery as a badge of honour. The other elites have the teals.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2024/mar/26/blaming-john-howard-is-easy-but-his-government-helped-shape-the-world-we-live-in-now-and-for-future-generations

    • a1studmuffin@aussie.zone
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      10 hours ago

      I agree his economic policies were garbage, but Howard deserves some pretty serious street cred for gun law reform in Australia after the Port Arthur massacre. It was a pivotal moment for the nation, and looking at the USA, I’m very grateful for his influence.

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      17 hours ago

      The problem with a “Future Fund” is that our politics isn’t geared up to handle it. Imagine a kitty of $50 Billion sitting just there and a new party gets in. They’ll spend it, of course. So even if you get a fiscally responsible PM who establishes such a fund, the other party would get in three years later, spend that money immediately on [PROJECT] and then claim all the credit for it.

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          14 hours ago

          The thing about legislation is: The new government can make/change/remove it. Unless you enshrine it in the Constitution - and we have a pretty poor track record of changing that.

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            11 hours ago

            I would think that if something were established with legislation capping how much can be spent, it would (a) be very difficult to get past the Senate crossbench and (b) be very expensive in terms of political capital, if you didn’t take it to an election as a core issue.

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    20 hours ago

    It’s definitely a competition between Abbott and Morrison.

    You could make an argument for Fraser, but that would be purely on the fact that he got into power initially in a completely undemocratic foreign-backed coup. His actual governing was relatively reasonable.

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      13 hours ago

      Mr Fraser privatised Medibank (the original Medicare). Universal healthcare was the dream-child of the preceding government. The Liberal Party hated it and tried to block it. One of the first things they did was kill it. I fully recognise that my views of Mr Fraser were the product of my childhood - where my political views mostly boiled down to “Liberals are evil and Labor are the good guys” thanks to my parental influences.

      It turns out that universal healthcare is pretty popular, though. It was the main issue that kept the Libs in the wilderness for over a decade. They had to promise not to kill Medicare to ever get another shot at government.

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        11 hours ago

        Oh yeah Fraser was definitely not good for the country. But compared to every Liberal who came after him?

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      18 hours ago

      I hate that I only learned about this after I got out of school. Love to tell us about all the corrupt govs in the world, hate to tell us that time and elected official got replaced because of a bunch of shitfuckery and a bunch of CIA dollars.

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    19 hours ago

    Bloody Jeff.

    Sold all our Publicly owned infrastructure to private companies.

    Now we have to deal with electricity resellers screwing us over and the government needing to fork out Corporate Welfare in the form of “Energy Relief” to line their mates pockets.

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      17 hours ago

      WA still owns its power grid. My power bills in WA are far cheaper than they were in Victoria. These two facts are probably related.

      Also, the WA government reserves a stash of gas for local reservation before companies are allowed to sell the rest “at market rate”. That gas belongs to everyone, not just the company that extracts it. This policy also helps to keep energy prices in WA reasonable.

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    19 hours ago

    For me it was Scomo by a country mile. Abbott had some peculiar views, but he didn’t seem as totally incompetent.

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    19 hours ago

    I can only go back as far as Howard, so my personal take is Albo; easily. There is lying on policy which is the norm but lying on values makes him the worst. He championed himself being the kid raised by single mum in a housing commision who was going to be strong on the strong. It was all BS.

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      13 hours ago

      Albo is less honest than we’d all like, but scomo hasn’t told a truth in his lifetime.