You can get good grades and still constantly get called lazy, be berated for not applying yourself more. Constantly wondering why no matter how hard you try to still somehow don’t do any better than if you make no effort at all but whatever you still get good grades. Who cares if you leave all your assignments for the last minute and then finish them all in a panic the night before they’re due. Or if you just crutch on way too many energy drinks because they’re effectively the same thing as medication only way worse for you health wise because you have no concept of the fact that the reason you like them so much is they make your symptoms more manageable.
Also, you know that stimulants aren’t the only treatment someone with ADHD gets right? When you know there’s a problem that isn’t just “you’re lazy” you can learn coping strategies that are worthless to people without ADHD and therefore nothing you’ll get yelled at to do by the adults in your life.
You can get good grades and still constantly get called lazy, be berated for not applying yourself more. Constantly wondering why no matter how hard you try to still somehow don’t do any better than if you make no effort at all but whatever you still get good grades. Who cares if you leave all your assignments for the last minute and then finish them all in a panic the night before they’re due. Or if you just crutch on way too many energy drinks because they’re effectively the same thing as medication only way worse for you health wise because you have no concept of the fact that the reason you like them so much is they make your symptoms more manageable.
I don’t see how any of that relates. I mean, I see you’re trying to argue that as the basis for a diagnosis of an attention deficit disorder, but what you’ve written is completely normal.
Seems like you’re basing your reasoning on “well this speed I take actually helps me focus”. Yeah? And the alcohol people drink make them drunk? That’s what stimulants do they give you energy to help you focus.
Nowadays literally anything will net you a diagnosis for stimulants. It’s crazy how easy it is for anyone of any age to get ADHD/ADD meds ie. Doctors pushed it on me as well, for years. Not when I was kid, because then this overprescription craziness wasn’t a thing yet. But after 25 or so, constantly. I figured out my health myself. Did get tested several times by clinical psychologists, and it’s crazy how generalised the questions are. I genuinely couldn’t imagine anyone who couldn’t at one time or another apply everything they said to themselves.
I also while at a place in which they suggested, read a brochure which was highly trying to convince that actually kids who use adhd meds are less likely to have problems with other substances in the future. I had plenty of time while waiting for my appointment, so I googled the source for the “facts” on that brochure. Turns out it relied on a study done on a hundred or so mice. I then googled the opposing view and researched whether it does make it more likely kids will have problems with other substances and found a study which was a following of tens of thousands of kids and showed a clear correlation, where yes, teenagers using methylphenidate and other adhd and add meds were more likely to have reported substance abuse issues later.
Like genuinely, call me out on this in 10 or 20 years. We’ll see where it’s developed. It’s not like the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world have ever done anything illegal or harmful or purposefully pushed illegal drugs even to an extent to create a horrific drug epidemic… riiiight?
Now I understand that adhd meds are far safer than opiates, so it’s not that I’m griping about anyone using them if they feel they get help from them. But let’s not pretend that there isn’t very clear controversy on this issue.
Sure, as medicine develops, diagnosis of not so well known diseases increase. But if you look at the rate of increase of neurodevelopmental orders in general versus the rate of increase of ADHD/ADD diagnosis’, it’s really hard to explain how the one condition which is treatable by a pleasantly mild pharmaceutical (which imo is far better than caffeine as per physical effects, so I understand preferring it over energy drinks) and which just happens to be very popular recreationally over the world as well.
Cool story bro. Just say you don’t believe that ADHD is real and we’re all just addicts. You’ve clearly already made up your mind and you’re cherry picking your sources to match your priors. There’s not a damn thing I or anyone else is gonna say that is going to make you see that medication is an effective treatment option though it doesn’t work for everyone.
Cool story bro, just admit that you don’t have the resources to have this conversation instead of defaulting to garbage like that.
You’ve bought into the propaganda because you’ve never ever questioned this. You’ve made up your mind and won’t change it. I on the other hand, go with the evidence.
I’m sorry, English is my third language, is “overdiagnosed” synonymous with “fictional made up disease that’s only an excuse to addict scum”?
I’m a proponent for the legalisation of all drug laws. A very strong advocate for it. I’m no “you shouldn’t take pills” prude. But like I said, I understand you get defensive about this because you don’t have any sort of resources in terms of even being able to discuss what I’ve said and you think I’m calling you an addict. I’m not. Since you can’t discuss this rationally, there’s very little point.
Or perhaps I’m mistaken and you too have gone over the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders from around the world in the past 30-50 years (there’s kinda poor data when you try to go back further), checked the rate of growth, averaged it out and noted that while they all grow as there’s more access to doctors, there’s an explosive growth with ADHD and ADD medication. A growth that is unlikely to be explained by anything other than someone pushing them more than is warranted. In other words overdiagnosing.
But I’m open to other alternatives if you have an explanation?
Your “resources” were one opinion piece in an Australian tabloid and two complete non sequitur links about the opioid crisis. Are there pill mills giving stimulants to anyone with a pulse? Sure. Doesn’t take away from the efficacy of the medications. And it certainly doesn’t mean that the advances in actually diagnosing a disorder is secretly an evil pharmaceutical cabal out to get kids hooked on speed. Gtfo
Children with ADHD were significantly more likely to have ever used nicotine and other substances, but not alcohol. Children with ADHD were also more likely to develop disorders of abuse/dependence for nicotine, alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, and other substances (i.e., unspecified). Sex, age, race, publication year, sample source, and version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) used to diagnose ADHD did not significantly moderate the associations with substance outcomes that yielded heterogeneous effect sizes. These findings suggest that children with ADHD are significantly more likely to develop substance use disorders than children without ADHD and that this increased risk is robust to demographic and methodological differences that varied across the studies.
“It’s crazy how if you don’t have any symptoms of a neurodevelopmental disease, you don’t get hardcore stimulants for daily use as a child.”
You can get good grades and still constantly get called lazy, be berated for not applying yourself more. Constantly wondering why no matter how hard you try to still somehow don’t do any better than if you make no effort at all but whatever you still get good grades. Who cares if you leave all your assignments for the last minute and then finish them all in a panic the night before they’re due. Or if you just crutch on way too many energy drinks because they’re effectively the same thing as medication only way worse for you health wise because you have no concept of the fact that the reason you like them so much is they make your symptoms more manageable.
Also, you know that stimulants aren’t the only treatment someone with ADHD gets right? When you know there’s a problem that isn’t just “you’re lazy” you can learn coping strategies that are worthless to people without ADHD and therefore nothing you’ll get yelled at to do by the adults in your life.
I don’t see how any of that relates. I mean, I see you’re trying to argue that as the basis for a diagnosis of an attention deficit disorder, but what you’ve written is completely normal.
Seems like you’re basing your reasoning on “well this speed I take actually helps me focus”. Yeah? And the alcohol people drink make them drunk? That’s what stimulants do they give you energy to help you focus.
Nowadays literally anything will net you a diagnosis for stimulants. It’s crazy how easy it is for anyone of any age to get ADHD/ADD meds ie. Doctors pushed it on me as well, for years. Not when I was kid, because then this overprescription craziness wasn’t a thing yet. But after 25 or so, constantly. I figured out my health myself. Did get tested several times by clinical psychologists, and it’s crazy how generalised the questions are. I genuinely couldn’t imagine anyone who couldn’t at one time or another apply everything they said to themselves.
I also while at a place in which they suggested, read a brochure which was highly trying to convince that actually kids who use adhd meds are less likely to have problems with other substances in the future. I had plenty of time while waiting for my appointment, so I googled the source for the “facts” on that brochure. Turns out it relied on a study done on a hundred or so mice. I then googled the opposing view and researched whether it does make it more likely kids will have problems with other substances and found a study which was a following of tens of thousands of kids and showed a clear correlation, where yes, teenagers using methylphenidate and other adhd and add meds were more likely to have reported substance abuse issues later.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/adhd-overdiagnosed-and-overmedicated-say-dissenting-doctors-20231018-p5ed50.html
Like genuinely, call me out on this in 10 or 20 years. We’ll see where it’s developed. It’s not like the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world have ever done anything illegal or harmful or purposefully pushed illegal drugs even to an extent to create a horrific drug epidemic… riiiight?
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/30/the-family-that-built-an-empire-of-pain
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9339402/
Now I understand that adhd meds are far safer than opiates, so it’s not that I’m griping about anyone using them if they feel they get help from them. But let’s not pretend that there isn’t very clear controversy on this issue.
Sure, as medicine develops, diagnosis of not so well known diseases increase. But if you look at the rate of increase of neurodevelopmental orders in general versus the rate of increase of ADHD/ADD diagnosis’, it’s really hard to explain how the one condition which is treatable by a pleasantly mild pharmaceutical (which imo is far better than caffeine as per physical effects, so I understand preferring it over energy drinks) and which just happens to be very popular recreationally over the world as well.
Or would you disagree?
Cool story bro. Just say you don’t believe that ADHD is real and we’re all just addicts. You’ve clearly already made up your mind and you’re cherry picking your sources to match your priors. There’s not a damn thing I or anyone else is gonna say that is going to make you see that medication is an effective treatment option though it doesn’t work for everyone.
Cool story bro, just admit that you don’t have the resources to have this conversation instead of defaulting to garbage like that.
You’ve bought into the propaganda because you’ve never ever questioned this. You’ve made up your mind and won’t change it. I on the other hand, go with the evidence.
I’m sorry, English is my third language, is “overdiagnosed” synonymous with “fictional made up disease that’s only an excuse to addict scum”?
I’m a proponent for the legalisation of all drug laws. A very strong advocate for it. I’m no “you shouldn’t take pills” prude. But like I said, I understand you get defensive about this because you don’t have any sort of resources in terms of even being able to discuss what I’ve said and you think I’m calling you an addict. I’m not. Since you can’t discuss this rationally, there’s very little point.
Or perhaps I’m mistaken and you too have gone over the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders from around the world in the past 30-50 years (there’s kinda poor data when you try to go back further), checked the rate of growth, averaged it out and noted that while they all grow as there’s more access to doctors, there’s an explosive growth with ADHD and ADD medication. A growth that is unlikely to be explained by anything other than someone pushing them more than is warranted. In other words overdiagnosing.
But I’m open to other alternatives if you have an explanation?
Your “resources” were one opinion piece in an Australian tabloid and two complete non sequitur links about the opioid crisis. Are there pill mills giving stimulants to anyone with a pulse? Sure. Doesn’t take away from the efficacy of the medications. And it certainly doesn’t mean that the advances in actually diagnosing a disorder is secretly an evil pharmaceutical cabal out to get kids hooked on speed. Gtfo
Ignoring the direct question and going for more “b-b-b-but no no no no I don’t believe it.” I’m not surprised.
You simply will not even consider that anything I say might even remotely be true. You utterly utterly refuse to. Without reason.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21382538/