Cross posted from: Latin@lemm.ee

lingua latina pater linguarum dimidum est 😎

I hope it’s okay for me to crosspost here.

  • smegEnglish
    8·
    1 day ago

    Is PIE something like proto-indo-eurasian, or just something to do with pies?

    • fxomt@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      10·
      1 day ago

      I haven’t heard of people screaming about pies in someone’s face, so I think it’s safe to assume PIE means proto-indo-european :)

    • smegEnglish
      6·
      1 day ago

      and while I’m at it, how do I pronounce *h3?

      • Lvxferre@mander.xyzEnglish
        12·
        1 day ago

        There’s a bunch of guesses on how *h₁ *h₂ and *h₃ were pronounced in this Wikipedia page. They’re usually defined by their effect in child languages though, so it’s possible that some of those were actually multiple sounds.

        For *h₃ you’ll often see values like [ɣʷ] or [ʁʷ]; a labialised consonant (to explain why it often turns nearby vowels into [o] ) and voiced (as there are some claims that it voices nearby consonants, mostly Cowgill’s Law)

        My personal guess for *h₃ is completely heterodox, [ɸ]~[β]. I think that it’s directly associated with *b being so uncommon in PIE.

        • lars@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          2·
          6 hours ago
          1. Happy Lemmiversary
          2. I wish we could follow individual users because I could listen to you talk about PIE aitches for the next couple thousand years
          • Lvxferre@mander.xyzEnglish
            2·
            5 hours ago

            Thank you! Sadly, I don’t talk too much about PIE in Lemmy because… well, it’s kind of a niche subject that most users don’t care too much about.

            Feel free to ask for further info on stuff, though. I do enjoy talking about it!

        • smegEnglish
          3·
          17 hours ago

          Wow, that article is all proto-indo-european to me!

      • fxomt@lemm.eeOPEnglish
        7·
        1 day ago

        They’re called Laryngeals, and no one really knows how to pronounce them, from what I can tell.

        Edit, there are two theories on how to pronounce them:

        Rasmussen chose a consonantal realization for *h₃ as a voiced labialized velar fricative [ɣʷ], with a syllabic allophone [ɵ], i.e. a close-mid central rounded vowel. Kümmel instead suggests [ʁ].