True. I don’t think I would recommend someone to look at Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Maybe I would mention Lemmy.world as the easiest entry point to Lemmy, and the existence of other servers like Feddit.org, Lemm.ee, etc.
Lemmy.World, aside from its very controversial (and now seemingly retracted) announcement a few days ago, has a problem contributing to the over-centralization of the Fediverse. As in, regardless of whether its good or bad to be on any particular instance based on its own merits, it is not good for everyone to be on the same instance. Which is what was happening, where ~80% of all user accounts across Lemmy were on Lemmy.World (in the last few months the proportion of active accounts there has fallen by more than half, but this at least was true several months ago). It also is still running 0.19.3 like a year after it came out, while other instances are running 0.19.8.
So for those reasons people have been recommending that new users should join some other instance than Lemmy.World. And yet we can still see all the awesome content there, like at !tenforward@lemmy.world, without needing to have an account on that instance directly.
Discuss.Online for instance is one of the most active instances, thus has high likelihood that a more technical person has subscribed to communities on other instances already (plus there’s another, automated solution to that particular problem anyway), is well managed, has defederated from Lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, and is for general discussions rather than themed.
There is nothing else in the USA (where most Redditors are located) that even comes close - e.g. Midwest.social has an admin that reportedly bans people just for downvoting their own posts, which is the type of thing that people don’t want to recommend that new users join such a server and then become frustrated and end up leaving the entire Threadiverse or at least have to endure the hassle of picking another instance. Discuss.online is quite a solid recommendation.
Blaze also has also shared longer listings elsewhere, but it gets super complicated to describe all of this stuff - tankie and admin drama, defederations, networking and related issues causing delays in posts and comments appearing for people across the Threadiverse, the database corruption issue of programming.dev that was probably fixed here in the last couple of days, it’s a LOT for people to try to absorb!!! And the effects that any ONE of those issues will have upon the frustration of a new user to the Threadiverse could be enough to send them back to centralized Reddit whenever it begins to go wrong. Especially imagine a content creator who doesn’t use Arch btw and just wants to share their comics with us, but it gets too difficult to navigate all of that, especially compared to the much smaller audience than Reddit or X or Facebook offers.
Hence why he has made the list so very simple, to make it easier for new people to ignore all of that and just join an instance to jump onto the Threadiverse immediately.
Fair points. I guess I don’t mention Lemmy much online anymore anyway. If I mention it to somebody in real life I guess I’ll tell them there are multiple servers to choose from.
Yeah that’s the thing: 100% of people that I’ve told that I use “Lemmy” seem to have Googled it, see the top instance result of that being Lemmy.ml, which very notably has its default feed (i.e. that someone would see without an account) set to Local rather than All and not only noped out, HARD, but they chided me for even having mentioned it to them.
Me who blocks that instance had no idea… plus I use DuckDuckGo anyway rather than Google, but that’s not what THEY (non-tech-savvy people) want to do, and that’s fair that they should be free to do as they choose, the same as me.:-)
So beware of that association: you might literally lose the possibility of a relationship with someone (colleague at work, personal, whatever) over telling them that you use “Lemmy”, which so many people seem quite likely to translate into “the tankie version of Reddit”. Maybe you are okay with that, I just wanted to warn you so that you knew in advance…:-)
True. I don’t think I would recommend someone to look at Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Maybe I would mention Lemmy.world as the easiest entry point to Lemmy, and the existence of other servers like Feddit.org, Lemm.ee, etc.
Lemmy.World, aside from its very controversial (and now seemingly retracted) announcement a few days ago, has a problem contributing to the over-centralization of the Fediverse. As in, regardless of whether its good or bad to be on any particular instance based on its own merits, it is not good for everyone to be on the same instance. Which is what was happening, where ~80% of all user accounts across Lemmy were on Lemmy.World (in the last few months the proportion of active accounts there has fallen by more than half, but this at least was true several months ago). It also is still running 0.19.3 like a year after it came out, while other instances are running 0.19.8.
So for those reasons people have been recommending that new users should join some other instance than Lemmy.World. And yet we can still see all the awesome content there, like at !tenforward@lemmy.world, without needing to have an account on that instance directly.
Discuss.Online for instance is one of the most active instances, thus has high likelihood that a more technical person has subscribed to communities on other instances already (plus there’s another, automated solution to that particular problem anyway), is well managed, has defederated from Lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, and is for general discussions rather than themed.
There is nothing else in the USA (where most Redditors are located) that even comes close - e.g. Midwest.social has an admin that reportedly bans people just for downvoting their own posts, which is the type of thing that people don’t want to recommend that new users join such a server and then become frustrated and end up leaving the entire Threadiverse or at least have to endure the hassle of picking another instance. Discuss.online is quite a solid recommendation.
Blaze also has also shared longer listings elsewhere, but it gets super complicated to describe all of this stuff - tankie and admin drama, defederations, networking and related issues causing delays in posts and comments appearing for people across the Threadiverse, the database corruption issue of programming.dev that was probably fixed here in the last couple of days, it’s a LOT for people to try to absorb!!! And the effects that any ONE of those issues will have upon the frustration of a new user to the Threadiverse could be enough to send them back to centralized Reddit whenever it begins to go wrong. Especially imagine a content creator who doesn’t use Arch btw and just wants to share their comics with us, but it gets too difficult to navigate all of that, especially compared to the much smaller audience than Reddit or X or Facebook offers.
Hence why he has made the list so very simple, to make it easier for new people to ignore all of that and just join an instance to jump onto the Threadiverse immediately.
Fair points. I guess I don’t mention Lemmy much online anymore anyway. If I mention it to somebody in real life I guess I’ll tell them there are multiple servers to choose from.
Yeah that’s the thing: 100% of people that I’ve told that I use “Lemmy” seem to have Googled it, see the top instance result of that being Lemmy.ml, which very notably has its default feed (i.e. that someone would see without an account) set to Local rather than All and not only noped out, HARD, but they chided me for even having mentioned it to them.
Me who blocks that instance had no idea… plus I use DuckDuckGo anyway rather than Google, but that’s not what THEY (non-tech-savvy people) want to do, and that’s fair that they should be free to do as they choose, the same as me.:-)
So beware of that association: you might literally lose the possibility of a relationship with someone (colleague at work, personal, whatever) over telling them that you use “Lemmy”, which so many people seem quite likely to translate into “the tankie version of Reddit”. Maybe you are okay with that, I just wanted to warn you so that you knew in advance…:-)