Bot? How do we know that isn’t just another of Elon’s alts?
I suppose somebody could check if she’s called him a good father recently…
Right wingers haven’t cared about the truth for decades. It’s just now they don’t don’t care whether we know it or not. Just think back to Trump’s first term and “alternate truths” and all that. They don’t care anymore. They believe what they want to believe, and no amount of facts or reasoning is going to change it.
But yes, everyone lies. Some people just more than others and some will lie to your face with a smirk on their face knowing damn well you know they’re lying.
Why the fuck you lying? Stop fucking lying. Why you always lying?
This is not “false” this is just “pants on fire lying”
This person should not have the freedom to speak publicly anymore
Screw freedom of expression as we currently have it. Freedom of expression should become a right with responsibility. if you can’t be responsible, you can’t have the right. You either speak the truth or don’t get to speak to groups, period
I’m SO done with literally everyone and everything lying with zero repercussions. Companies lie, all fine. Politicians lie like there is no tomorrow and that’s fiiiiine, even Obama lied like 25% and that’s fiiiiine, trump literally lies 99% of the time and it’s all fine! Nothing happens, so we just lie more and more and you can’t trust anything or anyone anymore
Freedom of expression on the internet was a big mistake
It’s not freedom of expression that’s the issue here; it’s the devaluation of responsible public influence such as (but not limited to) quality journalism. Lots of news agencies that used to be reputable are either going out of business or getting bought out by shady people. Hicks (I should know) have always been able to stand at the edge of their property yelling bullshit. The problem is people started listening and putting them up in the town square to yell bullshit (sometimes they even get paid!).
Indeed.
If every time the press quoted somebody they gave right alongside it a count of past occasions when they were caught lying, there would a lot less lying because people would be reading their quote, looking at the count of lies next to it and mentally going “bullshit!” for the big liars.
The excess lying going around is because the liars take advantage of people being physically unable of keeping track of the liar-levels and lies they’ve been caught on of all the “media personalities” (humans are only capable of managing at best around 200 relationships with other entities, so not just family and friends but also personalities one has an opinion about and even brands).
Part of the reason the Press won’t do that is because so many of them are also liars (in the sense that they’re actual vehicles for Propaganda rather than having Journalistic integrity) but also in many countries legislation such as Anti-slander Legislation means that if they point people’s lies out they can get sued, which is costly even if they win, whilst if they say only good things they get no legal costs, so the whole field is tilted towards painting well know personalities wi the the means or influence to sue news media in a positive light - in other words, the system is designed to protect well connect or rich liars and conmen from being exposed in the most widely circulated media.
Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid.
The original post has 58k views, the correct information has 2k. That is the level of efficiency that site has in disseminating correct information.
a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes
The timestamps imply the correct information is less than an hour old in that screenshot
Aptly put lmaooo, gonna quote this in the future at some point xD
This is a great example of the importance of teaching people critical thinking skills.
If you stop to analyze what was written in this sensationalized post rather than acting on your emotions, the first question that should come into mind is “who stopped them?”. There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California where cars are turned away from crossing state lines due to emissions. In fact, that would probably violate federal free travel laws which would supercede any stupid law like that.
Next, consider the source. Is this person trustworthy? Did they provide ample citations to reputable journalistic outlets that verified the factuality of the claims? If not, they may be trying to deceive you with falsehoods or have an ulterior motive for misrepresenting the facts. At best they are repeating claims that they’ve heard from others and anything they report on should be taken with a grain of salt.
This post doesn’t hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny, but people get fooled every day by crap like this. My advice is that if you hear something that sounds outrageous or too good to be true, stop and think carefully about it for a few minutes, or maybe just wait for another source to report it. Saves you a lot of stress and protects you from endlessly doomscrolling.
A friend of mine posted something on Facebook (reposted from a local list in Arizona) claiming that two people were knocking on doors and beating up people, and one woman was in the hospital as a result. Pictures of the perpetrators and everything.
Something felt off, so I did a quick search on their names. And I found an article from some city in Texas where the same rumor had been circulating about that area. The article clarified that the two people had committed some crimes several years ago and were caught, tried, and convicted already.
So someone took one of these, changed the name of the area, and posted it to the local list. Why do people do this? A form of stochastic terrorism maybe?
Edit - I can’t find the post (I think my friend deleted it), but I did still have a tab open with the article about it.
Where I live I mostly see this done to support the narrative that immigrants are bad, that you can’t trust traditional media, and that you should be voting for the local fascist party.
Afaik the place names and date are not changed here, I suspect because that would make the perpetrators criminally liable. Instead they work by omission: take a many years old crime, don’t mention the date but instead post it on facebook as if it only recently happened, in that post question why the media isn’t mentioning this event or how the non-fascist politicians could let things get this much out of control, and then boost the post with help from others in the telegram group so that it reaches a wider audience.
I have noticed this as well. Back during the early facebook years, a “news” outlet would just generate content by posting stories like “Greenville ranked as the city with highest crime rate” every week or so.
Everybody on my facebook feed would go crazy saying things like “I always knew that town was dangerous, but to hear it outranks New York? TERRIFYING!”
Only issue is that this outlet would have 50 different URLs for the article, all giving a city in a different state (always an immigrant heavy suburb) and those articles would be appear around facebook and nobody would know the wiser.
It costs almost nothing for them to rewrite the world and your perspective about it. The granularity they are now capable of should give us pause.
Interesting. This one didn’t include a link to an article, just fear mongering.
The person that posted it deleted it after my comment, I think. I’ll check.
I assume the people in the picture were “melanin enriched”? There you have your answer.
It’s a shame that you can’t know when seeing such posts if the person resharing it has good intentions or not. “Don’t open your door for strangers” is often good advice after all.
The firetrucks were allowed through but Haitian immigrants ate them!
You expect too much from these people, and an increasing share of them aren’t genuine people at all.
The firetrucks were allowed through but Haitian immigrants ate them!
That sounds reasonable and matches what the Big Red Squid told me on TV after last nights meth binge.
“who stopped them?”. There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California
… actually, there are checkpoints along every major roadway into California that do check incoming vehicles, mostly to find and prevent invasive species from entering the state and affecting the agricultural industry, and more broadly to protect the environmental systems in California. There have, in fact, been legal challenges against these checkpoints for violating travel laws, but the checkpoints have remained. They’ve also been used to seize non-agricultural items like weed, weapons smuggling, etc. so emissions standards checking isn’t completely out of the realm.
Obviously, she’s lying and she doesn’t know any of this either anyway. But there are checkpoints to enter California.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Border_Protection_Stations
I can’t speak for all of them, but the I5 border station near the Oregon border hasn’t even been manned in several years. This gal is so full of shit.
The station on Highway 97 has someone there, they’ve always just waved me through and said “have a nice day” i think they stop and inspect the agricultural trucks that go through there, tho.
I go through one all the time there has not been anyone there stopping people for years now
Yeah, you’re right, but you also conveniently cut out the second half of my sentence where I specifically mentioned being turned away for emissions. Context matters.
As long as a car is registered and insured they have the right to drive in any state
Teaching critical thinking skills it not a solution. People are not getting fooled, they want to believe it, it fills an emotional need.
Neo-liberal solutions to societal issues focusing on individuals has been a complete disaster. It is basically victim blaming and doesn’t actually scale in many circumstances.
Eg. High house prices; Victims fault for not working harder and saving more. Neo-liberal solution: Work longer, spend way less. Outcome at scale: Economy crashes due to low spending.
I agree with the rest, but
Teaching critical thinking skills it not a solution. People are not getting fooled, they want to believe it, it fills an emotional need.
Yes. Properly taught critical thinking overrides the emotional thinking. If it didn’t, people wouldn’t anymore then animals.
That’s the thing, people don’t want to. Critical thinking for one it takes more physical energy, which is a impediment. People want to belong as it can be very difficult to thrive being excluded, so there can be an advantage to just go along with the dominate narrative. Hence why we are getting a onslaught of propaganda like this twitter post.
This is going into circular logic territory.
Additionally, Washington, Oregon, California, and BC (this one has to have some sort of international limitations) have a climate pact with eachother to adopt emission and climate policies set by the other states/province.
Out of all the states that CA would have emissions issues with, OR would not be one of them.
Sometimes I wonder how much better the world could be if I had the power to snap my fingers and everybody on the planet knows that confirmation bias exists and it’s a big deal.
But you see I want it to be true therefore it is
I like the idea that someone mid fighting the fires, put down thier hose to reposnd to the tweet
The office of the state fire marshal definitely did not put down a fire hose. Or get up from their desk. (or did I get wooshed?)
No it’s just a funny situation to imagine.
2100 retweets on the lie.
33 on the truth.It’s not like there’s a state border check for vehicle emissions. You can visit California in a non-California car without an emissions check. Joy’s claim doesn’t make sense even before fact checking.
There is a border check entering CA but they only ask about fruits and vegetables.
Wow it’s true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Border_Protection_Stations
I don’t think any other US state has checkpoints. This is a surprise to me.
California grows like 40% of the vegetables for the entire country. So they’re very protective of their agriculture.
Florida has a checkpoint for plants and possible invasive species, definitely not for firetrucks helping people though.
Bugs trying to get in to Florida?
Florida has one of the best competitive scenes in the western hemisphere.
Unlike California, Florida’s agriculture checkpoint only stops commercial vehicles.
Sounds like it’s basically the same as CA then.
It’s the only other one. But Florida only has commercial vehicles pull in
And that’s rarely enforced, at least around here.
There are. Especially for commercial vehicles:
A lot of states have checkpoints for vehicles towing boats. Need to check for invasive water creatures.
Imagine my surprise learning about them by pulling up to one. I don’t think it was even near the CA/OR, but like 50 miles into Cali on the interstate. All of a sudden I see an officer flagging me at a little booth, I figured it was an emergency ahead or maybe I ended up on a toll road? The first thing he says to me was something along the lines of ‘Got any fruit or vegetables in the vehicle?’ And I just respond ‘I’m sorry, what?’ He must get that a lot, he pretty much waved me through as he was explaining.
I brought a prepackaged fruit cup my next trip just to see what would happen but I ended up doing the coastal route and never got stopped going that way.
Kentucky has them sometimes for horse papers
I choose to hold two images of this in my head and they’re both equally real, reality be damned.
They’re looking for horse rolling papers and they’re going to the trailer and asking each horse to show their papers as the driver is told to stand back and let them work.
They’ve been a thing as long as I can remember
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It’s meant to sow discord, not be fact checked or taken seriously by critically-minded people. It’s meant to rile up the MAGA’s.
Fascist agitprop
It makes sense to people who have never left their hometown, like most of her audience.
Welcome to modern society where facts don’t matter and all feelings are made up.
Made up feelings are facts now
But dumbasses will eat that shit up
I mean I wouldn’t ever live in California, but not because of what these talking maga skin piles keep saying. I just revise to live in a disaster-prone region. I mean California has a fire season. Fuuuuuck that. Same goes for hurricane territory.
Well, let us know when you find somewhere that doesn’t have fire season, earthquakes, tornado season, hurricane season, blizzards, or avalanches.
The midwest.
we’re not in Kansas anymore
Arizona mostly. Fires are pretty rare in the valley.
What is the average daily temp in the summer?
At 2am it’ll get down to 101-100…worst thing I ever did in Phoenix was get in a drunken argument mid afternoon and storm out of the house…made it half a block and was dead from the heat…quickest getting over an argument I’ve ever had.
Almost as cool as other states with climate change XD
Mmm. Forgot about droughts and pavement hot enough to cook eggs on.
Droughts are… US wide. Something about water tables and setting them during an unnaturally wet period.
And excuse me, I cook them on my cast iron… That I put on the pavement.
Join us in the mid-Atlantic!
Tsunami season
Got me there
It didn’t used to be anything like this. Hell, when I was younger it would rain in June. Climate change.
how do we even come back from this
The French had a similar issue in the tail end of the 1700’s, perhaps we could draw inspiration from their work.
At the risk of being called an accelerationist, the fact of the matter is that the only way out is through.
I just assume things cannot be controlled, there is no direction, and the majority of the human race will be swimming in lies, disinformation and cat memes fur generations
Fur real? I think you’re purrbably right.
I, for one, welcome our fur baby overlords.
I’ll have the cat memes thank you
The s is hopeful.
A generation maybe.
I plan to move somewhere where this isnt a problem. If Im going to live in a capitalist society Im going to exercise my free market choice to choose somewhere better than the McDonalds being run by geriatric conspiracy theorists
This eventually gets CIA’d. There is no escape but slaying the dragon.
Is that Threads? Threads is a cesspool of incessant lies, rage- and engagement bait.
Too late. It’s already become true, and another example of wokeness for your racist uncle to bang on about.
This is exactly why so many things just feel hopeless to me. The worst people have caught on to, and the parrots don’t even realize, that you can just say literally anything and the occupants of your echo chamber will believe it immediately and then refuse to believe whatever reality actually is if it is presented to them by literally any other “outsider.”
Hell even someone of the “in-group” who is not substantial enough will be outed as an “other” if they dare go against the initial message.
The knock-on effects of this also concern me. Largely, the only effective way I’ve seen to battle disinformation is to retreat to smaller spaces. The intensity and engagement driven content loop on all the major platforms just fuels the fire. Ultimately, to achieve a better admin:user ratio where the admins aren’t idiots. While I wax nostalgic about my former BBS days, it feels like a giant step backwards to that. The quality on content is there and signal:noise ratio is sublime, but the amount of information, level of discourse, and widespread geographic socialization, isn’t.
Since the election, I’ve retreated from most news sources and reddit. I kind of realized that more or less every headline was either a lie, clickbait, or blowing up a story that largely doesn’t matter. I honestly haven’t felt more relaxed in years.
Fucking Californian wokies! They made fire gay!
They don’t call it flaming for nothing!
Anyone politicizing the fires from the comfort of a place that isn’t burning to the ground, should immediately shut the fuck up.
Personally I would go so far as to say that people politicizing the fires from a place that is burning to the ground should probably also immediately shut up and flee the building.
They are inside the fire too, look at Mel Gibson’s interview practically WHILE his house was burning.
Well apparently believing in climate change is political over here, and I don’t think it’s wrong to point to this as evidence that we need to make some serious changes.
Twitter is a right-wing propaganda platform now. Why is everyone surprised by this?
Who is surprised? People are upset. The two are not the same reaction.
