• Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world
    775·
    12 hours ago

    A month ago or there abouts, someone posted the statistical breakdown of voting in the last election to Reddit. In the swing states (only the swing states) there was a larger than normal number of ballots where the only thing voted on was the presidential election (Ie not senate or local things). He proposed that Elon had used data from his lottery to select people who he thought were in it for the money and wouldn’t actually vote and voted on their behalf. He made quite a compelling argument.

    • Anti-Face Weapon@lemmy.world
      411·
      12 hours ago

      I remember reading about that too, but it seems kind of contrived for two reasons.

      First of all, we all know it’s very easy to lie with statistics. Even if the statistics did seem damning (which is debatable when I read it), that could be from manipulation.

      Second, the scheme described would fall apart completely with even a SINGLE recount in ONE swing state. Even just a county wide recount would make the whole house of cards fall apart.

      The fact that the current administration has done nothing about this, despite access to some of the best data, analysts, and intelligence in the world, seems to imply that it is most likely not true.

      • djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1·
        2 hours ago

        I would not trust the Biden administration to act in the people’s best interests on this matter, it’s entirely possible that any scrutiny on the 2024 election got handwaived due to Democrats not wanting to look like Trump-esque sore losers.

      • jpreston2005@lemmy.world
        5·
        4 hours ago

        The fact that the current administration has done nothing about this, despite access to some of the best data, analysts, and intelligence in the world, seems to imply that it is most likely not true.

        Yeah, entrenched democrats in power couldn’t possibly be feckless idiots 🙄

      • quixotic120@lemmy.worldEnglish
        28·
        11 hours ago

        On the last point there is a precedent to not bother when the Supreme Court is stacked against you, and the Supreme Court of 2000 was outright balanced compared to the kook show of today

        When George w won Florida under fairly suspect terms in 2000 gore pushed it a bit and probably should’ve pushed it more. The recount was sketch as fuck, the margin was literally like 500 votes for the entire state, it was later found that a bunch of counties never actually did the recount, George’s brother was the governor, his cousin at Fox News made the first call that Florida and the election went to him, just a lot of fuckery all around. And there was a lot more to it than that but that’s the stuff they couldn’t bring up in court for various reasons.

        Gore pushed back and went to the Supreme Court with it and lost.

        So say there was strong evidence beyond major statistical anomalies. Do you think the stacked court system isn’t going to do everything possible to shoot down anything possible to actually litigating it? The democrats are well aware the only chance they would possibly have is if they literally had the most airtight evidence known to man of fraud, like elon himself admitting fraud with all the receipts to back it up, and even then they’d probably hit some kind of roadblock

        Anyway I think what people are referring to is this letter about bullet ballots:

        https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

        It’s an interesting point that is unverifiable and could only be investigated by the current admin but see above. Given they only have about 5 hours left and frankly trump has been acting as president since he was elected anyway I don’t think it would matter even if the above was moot

        • Anti-Face Weapon@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 hours ago

          I will say that I think the discourse around the 2000 elections is generally very flawed. The SC ruled that you cannot do recounts only of select counties, which is a ruling that is actually pretty fair and reasonable. Furthermore, Florida later did a full recount and Bush won the state.

          • quixotic120@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            36 minutes ago

            So like fine, you have to review the whole state? Fine. But then address the other nonsense too. Address that tens of thousands of paper ballots were incompatible with machine counting and somehow had to be discarded even though they were easily human verifiable. Explain why these ballots were 3x more likely to be discarded in precincts that had a black majority.

            Explain why NORC reviewed the ballots that voting machines rejected from the entire state and found it would’ve resulted in a gore win, albeit a very thin one

      • Zagorath@aussie.zone
        12·
        11 hours ago

        First of all, we all know it’s very easy to lie with statistics. Even if the statistics did seem damning (which is debatable when I read it), that could be from manipulation.

        Fwiw I recall seeing someone make the same analysis about high numbers of President-only ballots, only they reached a much less conspiratorial conclusion to explain it. I forget what the explanation was, but if multiple different people are analysing the same data in the same way, especially if their explanation is different, it lends credence to the idea that the analysis itself is fair.

    • Serinus@lemmy.world
      242·
      11 hours ago

      That was complete bullshit. The numbers didn’t check out. The “only swing state” thing wasn’t true and it was pretty easy to verify.

        • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          51·
          4 hours ago

          I hate giving him the benefit of the doubt:

          Dudes never been able to stay on track when talking and tangents harder than I do off my meds. Dude started to praise Elon and his computers and his barely-functional mind connected computers to voting machines so that just got slotted right the fuck in there

          Too many people who habe actual interest in finding it haven’t been able to, election fraud is very unlikely here sadly

    • SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      11·
      12 hours ago

      I recall seeing something similar to that but never being able to find anything vetted on it.

      Id hate to sound like an election conspiracy theorist but there was a lot of conversation around star link and it being used for the voting machines. Another thing I personally was never able to confirm.