"It is not Trump—just as it was not Biden or Harris—who decides what the Palestinians can or cannot do," Abandon Harris' Hudhayfah Ahmad told Newsweek.
I hope I’m not ever stupid enough to pick a Republican that has pushed for Palestinians to be removed from Gaza, that told Israel to do what they had to do to end the war during the election, and talked about harsh punishments for pro-Palestinian protestors into office.
One can be critical about the one side support from the Biden administration, which I absolutely was and still am, yet realize that there are worse people out there and not be so stupid as to let that evil into power.
Enjoy your protest vote, hope it works out for you guys.
Regardless of who won, the genocide was set to continue.
The only leverage they had to get Biden to stop supporting a genocide was to threaten to withhold votes
When Biden/Kamala refused to listen, some voters held their ground.
Enjoy your protest vote, hope it works out for you guys.
I held my nose and voted D like I always do.
But I understand why others didn’t, and that a candidate who already agrees with their base has a better chance then one who the base disagrees with.
So logically, we need to not keep trying to force a candidate on dem voters who is more conservative then Dem voters.
If you want to yell at people who were chased away from the political process by Biden/Kamala’s policies…
You’re going to have to go find them, they’re politically disengaged, they’re not going to be hanging out in political social media communities.
You’re gonna have to leave the comfort of your couch and do it face to face, go get right up to them and taunt them about the generations of family who have been abused and killed.
I won’t wait to hear back how it went, but I wish you the best of luck.
Oh, those people are absolutely here. I’ve had multiple arguments with them for the past week or so.
They’re trying as hard as they can to justify letting fascism win. I guess it’s so they can sleep at night pretending their protest didn’t condemn millions to suffer and actively make the situation worse for the people they were protesting for.
Blaming the voters for the absense of an anti-genocide candidate seems really productive. Maybe if we keep re-litigating the election for the next four years the Democrats will run Hillary again. /s
“Biden/Harris must stop what’s happening in Gaza! The status quo isnt acceptable at all, but at least advocacy and support groups will have the ability to continue lobbying the government under Harris. Under trump they’ll be branded terrorists and deported to remote prisons”
Don’t vote? Don’t complain when things go to shit.
Also, want change? Actually vote in the primaries, donate to a better candidate, volunteer for the better candidate, and fucking vote in the primaries.
Jesus, everyone thinks that MAGA’s control came overnight, this shitshow took most of the 40+years of being on this earth to happen.
Their campaign to radically remake America has gone back even further than that. The reactionary mindset hates freedom of others and cannot stand being hemmed in even slightly by any kind of debt to society or being decent to others, etc…
So the xtian loons, the white supremacists and the people that give themselves bullshit titles like “job creators” got together on this…
You ought to be blaming the Democrats for pushing another status quo candidate without even running a primary.
The voters aren’t responsible for the uninspiring candidate they were offered, and the Democrats are too busy projecting their failure on their constituents to take responsibility and make changes to prevent it from happening again.
That blame is ongoing. But it wasn’t going to change anything in the fall off 2024. The train already left the station. Given that, when trump was one of the tracks, the only sane option was to avoid it. All other logic is secondary after that.
That’s the problem with treating an election like a moral dilemma, this perspective forces you to take the party itself for granted.
You sat and watched as the Democrats set up a Trolley Problem, but you’re blaming the people they put at the switch rather than they who tied us to the tracks in the first place.
You can’t dismantle the DNC and put forward a replacement leading candidate in the fall of an election year.
The discussion on “hold your nose and vote for Harris, to keep trump out” has an unsaid (but often completely said) primer clause of “the DNC is shit and must change, it’s a priority of 2025 and beyond.”
I haven’t seen one Harris voter claiming they were stoked about her or the DNC.
Trump IS a moral dilemma, and given one vote, and no time to change things, the only option is to reduce harm. THEN build a better future.
You can’t dismantle the DNC and put forward a replacement leading candidate in the fall of an election year.
Of course you can. Only the USA has a 2-year election season, every other developed country on the planet does their elections in a matter of weeks.
The discussion on “hold your nose and vote for Harris, to keep trump out” has an unsaid (but often completely said) primer clause of “the DNC is shit and must change, it’s a priority of 2025 and beyond.”
I haven’t seen one Harris voter claiming they were stoked about her or the DNC.
Sounds to me like you should be begging forgiveness from the voters for holding their nose and making the election as close as it was.
Trump IS a moral dilemma
Trump is a consequence of the Democrats’ failure to live up to their own name. Bernie would have won in 2016 if the party leadership didn’t deliberately shut him out to run “She whose turn it was”.
, and given one vote, and no time to change things, the only option is to reduce harm. THEN build a better future.
Cool. So, now that we’re past that point, can we please stop playing the blame game and focus our attention on the “building a better future” part?
A thread like this isn’t the space for future building. This is a thread on the discussion of an election. So no surprise the conversation is focused on that.
There no possible way to do as you said, in fall 2024. Edit or any other fall during 2 party, fptp where the leading candidates are already selected.
Of course other countries do it differently. It’s great. But changing the whole electoral process between September and November is a joke.
Edit edit and now instead of working on grassroots candidates or platform change, this nose holding Harris voter is instead spending my community time exclusively looking after the at risk people in my network, rather than working on horizon goals. Trump and co have contracted the threat window so massively the goals have changed.
I hope I’m not ever stupid enough to pick a Republican that has pushed for Palestinians to be removed from Gaza, that told Israel to do what they had to do to end the war during the election, and talked about harsh punishments for pro-Palestinian protestors into office.
One can be critical about the one side support from the Biden administration, which I absolutely was and still am, yet realize that there are worse people out there and not be so stupid as to let that evil into power.
Enjoy your protest vote, hope it works out for you guys.
Regardless of who won, the genocide was set to continue.
The only leverage they had to get Biden to stop supporting a genocide was to threaten to withhold votes
When Biden/Kamala refused to listen, some voters held their ground.
I held my nose and voted D like I always do.
But I understand why others didn’t, and that a candidate who already agrees with their base has a better chance then one who the base disagrees with.
So logically, we need to not keep trying to force a candidate on dem voters who is more conservative then Dem voters.
If you want to yell at people who were chased away from the political process by Biden/Kamala’s policies…
You’re going to have to go find them, they’re politically disengaged, they’re not going to be hanging out in political social media communities.
You’re gonna have to leave the comfort of your couch and do it face to face, go get right up to them and taunt them about the generations of family who have been abused and killed.
I won’t wait to hear back how it went, but I wish you the best of luck.
Oh, those people are absolutely here. I’ve had multiple arguments with them for the past week or so.
They’re trying as hard as they can to justify letting fascism win. I guess it’s so they can sleep at night pretending their protest didn’t condemn millions to suffer and actively make the situation worse for the people they were protesting for.
You just replied to multiple of comments of mine across different threads in the span of minutes…
Is this a coincidence thing or did I block your main account and you just noticed and desperately want to restart an old argument anywhere you can?
I hate to ask, but unfortunately this wouldn’t be the first time.
I guess I just really disagree with your opinions.
Blaming the voters for the absense of an anti-genocide candidate seems really productive. Maybe if we keep re-litigating the election for the next four years the Democrats will run Hillary again. /s
Moderates:
Also moderates, often in the same breath:
“Biden/Harris must stop what’s happening in Gaza! The status quo isnt acceptable at all, but at least advocacy and support groups will have the ability to continue lobbying the government under Harris. Under trump they’ll be branded terrorists and deported to remote prisons”
Missed that one.
Blame the voters, for donvict being in office?
Why yes, I think I will. Who else to blame? It’s not like candidates voted themselves into office.
Don’t vote? Don’t complain when things go to shit.
Also, want change? Actually vote in the primaries, donate to a better candidate, volunteer for the better candidate, and fucking vote in the primaries.
Jesus, everyone thinks that MAGA’s control came overnight, this shitshow took most of the 40+years of being on this earth to happen.
What primaries? The Democrats don’t hold those anymore.
Their campaign to radically remake America has gone back even further than that. The reactionary mindset hates freedom of others and cannot stand being hemmed in even slightly by any kind of debt to society or being decent to others, etc…
So the xtian loons, the white supremacists and the people that give themselves bullshit titles like “job creators” got together on this…
You ought to be blaming the Democrats for pushing another status quo candidate without even running a primary.
The voters aren’t responsible for the uninspiring candidate they were offered, and the Democrats are too busy projecting their failure on their constituents to take responsibility and make changes to prevent it from happening again.
That blame is ongoing. But it wasn’t going to change anything in the fall off 2024. The train already left the station. Given that, when trump was one of the tracks, the only sane option was to avoid it. All other logic is secondary after that.
That’s the problem with treating an election like a moral dilemma, this perspective forces you to take the party itself for granted.
You sat and watched as the Democrats set up a Trolley Problem, but you’re blaming the people they put at the switch rather than they who tied us to the tracks in the first place.
You can’t dismantle the DNC and put forward a replacement leading candidate in the fall of an election year.
The discussion on “hold your nose and vote for Harris, to keep trump out” has an unsaid (but often completely said) primer clause of “the DNC is shit and must change, it’s a priority of 2025 and beyond.”
I haven’t seen one Harris voter claiming they were stoked about her or the DNC.
Trump IS a moral dilemma, and given one vote, and no time to change things, the only option is to reduce harm. THEN build a better future.
Of course you can. Only the USA has a 2-year election season, every other developed country on the planet does their elections in a matter of weeks.
Sounds to me like you should be begging forgiveness from the voters for holding their nose and making the election as close as it was.
Trump is a consequence of the Democrats’ failure to live up to their own name. Bernie would have won in 2016 if the party leadership didn’t deliberately shut him out to run “She whose turn it was”.
Cool. So, now that we’re past that point, can we please stop playing the blame game and focus our attention on the “building a better future” part?
A thread like this isn’t the space for future building. This is a thread on the discussion of an election. So no surprise the conversation is focused on that.
There no possible way to do as you said, in fall 2024. Edit or any other fall during 2 party, fptp where the leading candidates are already selected.
Of course other countries do it differently. It’s great. But changing the whole electoral process between September and November is a joke.
Edit edit and now instead of working on grassroots candidates or platform change, this nose holding Harris voter is instead spending my community time exclusively looking after the at risk people in my network, rather than working on horizon goals. Trump and co have contracted the threat window so massively the goals have changed.