The lawsuit alleges OpenAI crawled the web to amass huge amounts of data without people’s permission.

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    1 year ago

    Scraping social media posts and reddit posts doesn’t sound like stealing, they’re public posts.

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      I doubt it’s only about some Reddit posts. The scrapping was done on the whole web, capturing everything it could. So besides stealing data and presenting it as its own, it seems to have collected some even more problematic data which wasn’t properly protected.

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        1 year ago

        But that really isn’t OpenAI’s fault. Whoever was in charge of securing the patients data really fucked up.

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          Leaving your front door open isn’t prudent but doesn’t grant permission to others to enter and take/copy your belongings or data.

          The security teams may have royally screwed up, but OpenAI has a legal obligation to respect copyright and laws regarding data ownership.

          Likewise, they could have scraped pages that included terms of use, copyright, disclaimers, etc., and failed to honor them.

          All parties can be in the wrong for different reasons.

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            I think it’s a little closer to being mad that the Google street car drove by and snapped a picture of the front of your house, tbh.

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            It’s more like leaving an important letter in the open for everyone to read. It’s certainly your fault for leaving it that open.

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            But does leaving your front door open allow one to legally take a picture of the inside from across the street? I’d say scraping is more akin to that than it is theft. Nothing is removed in scraping, just copied

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              Bad analogy. This is like leaving your couch out on the sidewalk, then complaining when someone takes a picture of it.

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          It’s certainly their fault that they used it, though.

          If they cared, they could have ensured they weren’t using sensitive or otherwise highly problematic information, but they chose not to. That’s on them.

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            1 year ago

            It’s called “disrupting” the established norms. You wouldn’t get it because you’re not on the bleeding edge of a revolutionary platform that’s seeing scalable vertical growth due to its paradigm shift.

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        if it was unsecured it’s basically public. whomever put that data on a publicly accessible server is at fault

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          That’s not necessarily true. Even if a company makes the mistake of not securing data correctly, those that make use of this data can still be at fault.

          If a company leaves a server wide open, you still can’t legally steal information from it.

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        Just because something is posted online doesn’t mean it can be taken a resold. Copyright law prevents that. Of course, copyright law and generative AI is new and gray area.

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      Here is not just scraping though, it is also using that data to create other content and to potentially also re-publish that data (we have no way of knowing whether chatGPT will spit out any of that nor where did it take what is spitting out).

      The expectation that social media data will be read by anybody is fair, but the fact is that the data has been written to be read, not to be resold and published elsewhere too.

      It is similar for blog articles. My blog is public and anybody can read it, but that data is not there to be repackaged and sold. The fact that something is public does not mean I can do whatever I want with it.

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        I could read your blog post and write my own blog post, using yours as inspiration. I could quote your post, add a link back to your blog post and even add affiliate links to my blog post.I could be hired to do something like that for the whole day

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          ChatGPT doesn’t get inspired, the process is different and it could very well spit verbatim the content. You can do all the rest (depending on the license) without issues, but once again this is not what chatGPT does, as it doesn’t provide attribution.

          It’s exactly the same with software, in fact.