• xNIBx@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    After the war, Ukraine will be a country with tons of capable military men and many with ptsd. And they already have some nazi/fascist issues and significant corruption. They will need all the help they could find. And EU needs to be there to push them towards a more liberal and democratic direction.

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      1 year ago

      And that push in the right direction, should be to hold them to the same standard as other prospective members.

      The people of Ukraine deserve to live in a relatively uncorrupt, economically sound, prosperous democracy.

      We should help them meet those targets, but the targets need to be met.

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        From my personal experience, corruption decreases as prosperity increases, at least in some scenarios. A lot of people confuse the cause and the effect. They think prosperity increases as corruption decreases. But more often than not, corruption is just a side-effect of people trying to survive in a poor society.

        It’s harder to be charitable and by the book, when your quality of life sucks. Corruption was absolutely plummeting in Greece in the 2000s. Young people were hopeful and determined for a better future. Things like bribing doctors changed from being the norm to being a taboo. Then the economic collapse happened, troika fucked the economy even more by imposing insane austerity(unnecessary even according to the IMF, which was 1/3 of the troika), the failing society became failed, the brain drain was insane.

        Most of the brightest greek minds have left Greece. Greece has always been a majority leftist country. In the last elections, the right wing got 53% and 3 far right parties entered the parliament. Even if the economy somewhat bounces back(because troika is now willing to give infinite money to a conservative government), shit is fucked and will remain fucked. I just hope Greece doesnt become Hungary, because the system is already in place.

        PS Greek debt is as high as it has always been. Have you noticed how noone complains about it? Where are all those lovely dutch politicians now? I guess it isnt important anymore.

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      Military men and women. I understand you almost certainly did not mean to leave out women, but we need to move past the times of only focusing on the impacts to and contributions of men. Ukrainian women are also on the front lines, risking their lives for their country.

      Also, I don’t see how having a large population with military experience and or PTSD directly relates to Nazism and corruption.

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        1 year ago

        They’re saying that those are all issues that the EU should help Ukraine address. I think I agree. High up front cost but great eventual ROI.