• photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        No, I agree. I just mean that Hamas wanted to sow chaos and destruction by doing what they did, and well, that’s what they got. It’s still unclear who fired that rocket, whether it was a misfire or whatever, but if Hamas hadn’t attacked, there would be no israeli ground offensive, half of Gaza wouldn’t have been ordered to evactuate, and a lot of innocents would still be alive today.

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          …And Hamas wouldn’t have wanted to sow chaos and destruction if Israel had been negotiating in good faith since 1967. But they haven’t. So here we are.

          Hamas is an entity of Israel’s creation, and was funded by Israel to remove support from other, less militant Palestinian organizations.

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            Zionists argue all the way back to several hundreds years B.C. Not that you can always draw an exactly straight line here, but the point should be that no reaction is inevitable, but that we have organized governments here making these decisions every day.

            • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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              Well, shit, then argue back before that. What of the Babylonians and the Assyrians that the Israelites genocided? What of their ancestors? Shouldn’t they have their land returned to them?

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                If you go far enough back we’re probably all entitled to the land. Let’s just do away with these “borders” and make the whole world into a theme park instead.

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                  I’m in favor of annihilation of humans as a species and returning the land to the rightful owners: the plants and (non-human) animals. Surely they can’t fuck it up as much as we have.

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                    Mushrooms and molds always being left out…

                    Which is sad because I’m told they’re pretty fungi

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            Every time there’s been a viable two-state solution presented, Hamas or whoever was the palestinian authroity at the time rejected the proposal because they want all of Israel. That isn’t happening. Israel has agreed to a two state solution multiple times! The representatives of palestine never have. If they had, this situation would’ve stabilized decades ago.

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              Israel has agreed to a two state solution multiple times!

              Certainly not in 1995, or in 2014. They’ve also went back on their own ceasefires with Hamas in 2008 and 2012.

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      Fact is, Hamas slaughering 1400 people wouldn’t have happened if Israel hadn’t oppress the Palestine people for more than 50 years. That is what UN chief is saying, because they’ve been calling out Israel bs for a long time. Israel have the power themselves to stop the cycle of hate, but they didn’t, instead they intensified it.

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      Are you making a justification for a hospital bombing?

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              While the hospital disaster wouldn’t have happened if not for the attack, the attack also wouldn’t have happened if not for the blockades, terrorization of Palestinians, demolition of houses, and non stop settler violence everywhere even in the West Bank.

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                And the blockades wouldn’t have happened if the Palestinian people didn’t put Hamas in power after, in attempts at peace and a two state solution, Israel demilitarized Gaza. And the wall wouldn’t have happened without the suicide bus bombings. I mean we can carry this back. At a minimum we can’t stop until WWI. And that’s really just a minimum. The crusades would be another point to carry it back to but that seems real far.

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                Also true. But an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. There needs to be peace. And there can be no peace with Hamas, whose mission it is to completely destroy Israel.

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                  Why do they have that mission? Is it possibly die to decades of Isreal trying to completely destroy Palestine?

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                  Yes, but after they take two men and a kidney, you gotta at least take an eye.

                  If you think that there’s no peace with Hamas, but there’s peace with Isn’trael, then you may be delusional. Just ask the West bank.