I think Biden is not looking forward to the upcoming headlines that the Gaza invasion has surpassed the entire Ukraine invasion in civilian death toll (in just one month). Kinda makes it hard to keep the spiel going that Israel are the good guys.
More importantly, it makes it increasingly hard to justify US interventionist policies in Ukraine. Biden has simultaneously strengthened relations between Russia and the Middle East while weakening the position of NATO in Ukraine to some degree.
All the signs were there that this was the WRONG FUCKING DECISION. After pulling out of Afghanistan and settling one 20 year long Middle Eastern quagmire, I cannot for the life of me understand why he voluntarily entered the US into another one even if it was through one degree of separation. This is one of the all-time stupidest political blunders, and I firmly believe it could cost Biden the election next year.
Beyond that, the US is knowingly enabling Israel’s bloodlust after Netanyahu and Likud spent the last twenty years frothing at the mouth, waiting for the opportunity to commit genocide while unifying Israel and wiping out what remained of the Palestinian people. It is completely fucking repugnant, and it truly seems like we are witnessing a tearing of the social fabric of society on all sides. I fear for what the next twenty years are going to look like more and more everyday.
Supporting Ukraine is the right move geopolitically and morally. We are preventing genocide there. Unfortunately we’re in the opposite position in Israel.
This isn’t a one-size-fits-all scenario. Some conflicts are just and some are not. We are supposed to elect folks with the judgment to determine which is which. Unfortunately Biden made a bad call here and the other side of the aisle is even more rabidly anti-Muslim and certainly wouldn’t handle this any better, so the Palestinian people will have to spend the blood of children until the toll is too great to ignore and only then will we put pressure to Israel to find a non-genocidal way to move forward.
Supporting Ukraine is the right move geopolitically and morally.
I agree. I’m not sure why you thought that perhaps I didn’t.
We are preventing genocide there. Unfortunately we’re in the opposite position in Israel.
Yes, and that is exactly why it becomes difficult to sell the idea of interventionist policy. When the people of the world see the United States as no longer being capable of differentiating between a just and unjust conflict then all that is left is the belief that every decision that is made is being done to drive the military industrial complex and the capitalist lust for infinite growth at any cost. When that happens you are implicitly losing the moral justification that may exist because people no longer believe they can trust your motives. There are consequences to bad judgement.
This isn’t a one-size-fits-all scenario.
I never said or implied that it was.
Some conflicts are just and some are not. We are supposed to elect folks with the judgment to determine which is which.Unfortunately Biden made a bad call here and the other side of the aisle is even more rabidly anti-Muslim and certainly wouldn’t handle this any better, so the Palestinian people will have to spend the blood of children until the toll is too great to ignore and only then will we put pressure to Israel to find a non-genocidal way to move forward.
My argument is that the historical track record of the United States in determining this has irrevocably damaged the public trust to the degree that many rational people are becoming apathetic to the political process because no matter what they do it only results in violence against innocent people. You can disagree with this if you wish, but I have seen so much of this sentiment lately that I am really not sure if Biden can win based on how bad his judgement has been in dealing with this conflict. At some point it doesn’t matter if you are better than the alternative if the average person no longer cares enough to make a distinction.
They’re totally out of touch, and expected a 9/11 like bloodlust. But 22 years is a long time, and the internet is able to disrupt the manufacturing of consent for genocide.
Not to mention I have a hard time finding anything about the response to 9/11 that I think was a good idea. Locking airplane cockpits as standard practice is one. Invading Afghanistan and Iraq aren’t.
For reference, at 500,000 the Russian invasion death toll sits at just under 25% of the total population of Gaza. So far 0.3% of the population are reported as casualties since the Hamas attack on Oct 7th. Let’s not forget that figure includes any deaths from Hamas rockets that misfired and landed in Gaza (about 10-30% of them do that and they fired thousands of rockets), as well as any Hamas terrorists killed. Hamas does not differentiate casualties, instead calling them all civilians and attributing them all to Israel.
I think Biden is not looking forward to the upcoming headlines that the Gaza invasion has surpassed the entire Ukraine invasion in civilian death toll (in just one month). Kinda makes it hard to keep the spiel going that Israel are the good guys.
More importantly, it makes it increasingly hard to justify US interventionist policies in Ukraine. Biden has simultaneously strengthened relations between Russia and the Middle East while weakening the position of NATO in Ukraine to some degree.
All the signs were there that this was the WRONG FUCKING DECISION. After pulling out of Afghanistan and settling one 20 year long Middle Eastern quagmire, I cannot for the life of me understand why he voluntarily entered the US into another one even if it was through one degree of separation. This is one of the all-time stupidest political blunders, and I firmly believe it could cost Biden the election next year.
Beyond that, the US is knowingly enabling Israel’s bloodlust after Netanyahu and Likud spent the last twenty years frothing at the mouth, waiting for the opportunity to commit genocide while unifying Israel and wiping out what remained of the Palestinian people. It is completely fucking repugnant, and it truly seems like we are witnessing a tearing of the social fabric of society on all sides. I fear for what the next twenty years are going to look like more and more everyday.
Supporting Ukraine is the right move geopolitically and morally. We are preventing genocide there. Unfortunately we’re in the opposite position in Israel.
This isn’t a one-size-fits-all scenario. Some conflicts are just and some are not. We are supposed to elect folks with the judgment to determine which is which. Unfortunately Biden made a bad call here and the other side of the aisle is even more rabidly anti-Muslim and certainly wouldn’t handle this any better, so the Palestinian people will have to spend the blood of children until the toll is too great to ignore and only then will we put pressure to Israel to find a non-genocidal way to move forward.
I agree. I’m not sure why you thought that perhaps I didn’t.
Yes, and that is exactly why it becomes difficult to sell the idea of interventionist policy. When the people of the world see the United States as no longer being capable of differentiating between a just and unjust conflict then all that is left is the belief that every decision that is made is being done to drive the military industrial complex and the capitalist lust for infinite growth at any cost. When that happens you are implicitly losing the moral justification that may exist because people no longer believe they can trust your motives. There are consequences to bad judgement.
I never said or implied that it was.
My argument is that the historical track record of the United States in determining this has irrevocably damaged the public trust to the degree that many rational people are becoming apathetic to the political process because no matter what they do it only results in violence against innocent people. You can disagree with this if you wish, but I have seen so much of this sentiment lately that I am really not sure if Biden can win based on how bad his judgement has been in dealing with this conflict. At some point it doesn’t matter if you are better than the alternative if the average person no longer cares enough to make a distinction.
They’re totally out of touch, and expected a 9/11 like bloodlust. But 22 years is a long time, and the internet is able to disrupt the manufacturing of consent for genocide.
Not to mention I have a hard time finding anything about the response to 9/11 that I think was a good idea. Locking airplane cockpits as standard practice is one. Invading Afghanistan and Iraq aren’t.
For reference, at 500,000 the Russian invasion death toll sits at just under 25% of the total population of Gaza. So far 0.3% of the population are reported as casualties since the Hamas attack on Oct 7th. Let’s not forget that figure includes any deaths from Hamas rockets that misfired and landed in Gaza (about 10-30% of them do that and they fired thousands of rockets), as well as any Hamas terrorists killed. Hamas does not differentiate casualties, instead calling them all civilians and attributing them all to Israel.
The numbers are self reported by hamas anyway, so the real number is likely even lower than that.
Chill dog, this ain’t Israel. No one is buying that horseshit.
Nah, you prefer your horseshit spood fed by terrorists.
Nah dude, fuck the other side too for real just to be clear. The truth is what it is and it stings.
Chill dog. Lemmy hates facts