• Neato@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    The party is obsessed with stealing voters from Republicans

    What? Democrats don’t need to steal votes. Democrat voters outnumber Republicans but a fairly decent margin. It IS as you say: they just need people to vote. Which is why Democrats generally back voting by mail and early voting that Republicans try to stop.

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      11 months ago

      That was what givesomefucks was saying. Team Blue does not need any Team Red voters. They need Team Yellow and Team Green and Team No-Colour-Because-They-Stay-Home votes. But they keep reaching out to Team Red voters by shying to the Right in the stupid and hopeless quest to draw some of those voters over to their side, ignoring a much larger slice of people who don’t want our government slipping to the right. Of course, I have my theory – Team Green especially is horrible about staying home if they don’t get EXACTLY what they want. Team Red SEEMS to be the more reliable answer than Team Green, but they’ve already bought the propaganda that we’re all baby-eating, baby-f**king Satan worshippers over here on the Left.

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      11 months ago

      I think your confusing me saying what the party has spent decades doing, and me saying it’s a good idea.

      Clearly it’s not.

      Because even if it gets a few in office, they’re unwilling to actually fix anything because it may piss off the hypothetical former Republicans that never vote D anyways.

      A cynic would say party leadership is smart enough to understand this, and it’s all a lie to justify keeping donors happy. Because the party wants those donations and is banking on “what are you going to do, vote Republican?” To get just enough votes to win the election.

      In reality it just makes the office cycle between the two parties. And Republicans break as much as they can, and Dems don’t fix it fast enough before Republicans get it back.

      Resulting in a slow but consistent destruction of America, which further depresses turnout and keeps the cycle going on a long timeline.

      Which could all be fixed by electing progressives willing to try as hard as they can, even if they fail

      If we do that, then the wealthy donors stop donating. And current party leadership gets replaced.

      Good luck convincing them to do that.

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      11 months ago

      In that case theree’ no need to move right IR appeal to “centrist” voters so the Democratic cannidate can focus on turning out their base by throwing them red meat, right?

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      11 months ago

      This. Democrats are way better with ideas and policies that help working people, minorities, women, LGBTQ people, non Christians, and the middle class. Republicans only have tax cut for the wealthy and culture war hate.

      I wish Biden were more progressive, but he is a good president. And Trump is a criminal who wants to be a dictator.

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        11 months ago

        This. Democrats are way better with ideas and policies that help working people, minorities, women, LGBTQ people, non Christians, and the middle class.

        Now if they would get out of their own way and pass some.

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          Biden has passed a lot of good policy: Inflation Reduction Act, CHIPS Act, Respect for Marriage Act, American Rescue Plan, and more. He has also put put fair judges on the bench and one of the supreme court. None of these would have happen under Republican control.

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            Democrats have blocked good policy as well. BBB and the minimum wage increase spring to mind. Democrats won’t end the filibuster to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights act. They didn’t end it to codify Roe. They won’t end it to codify Obergefell. They didn’t end it to support rail workers. Biden promised to revisit the public option during his campaign. Hasn’t bothered to try. And this is a pattern of behavior going back decades. Our own caucus killed the public option with no help from Republicans. We had a filibuster-proof majority and we still managed to find enough no votes. Even after the bill went to reconciliation and could have been passed with a simple majority, did we put the public option back? Of course we didn’t. Did we even try to? Nope.

            Nothing stops Democratic policy like Democrats.

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        11 months ago

        Biden is a good president? He is literally funding and supporting a genocide. The fact that the alternative is worse doesn’t make biden good.

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          11 months ago

          I can’t think of a US president in my lifetime who shouldn’t have been tried and convicted by the ICC.

          We’re Americans: We don’t get nice things. Especially government.