• DdCno1@beehaw.org
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    11 months ago

    Israel has not released any official numbers on dead Palestinians, which is why there hasn’t been anything disputed. The most we got was a number of dead Hamas commanders - which some people seriously tried to twist into “Israel only killed a few dozen Hamas members” - and a leaked, but unconfirmed estimate from an unnamed Israeli government official.

    They release specific casualty data including names, ages, and ID numbers

    The list included at least one person who died in 2014:

    https://nitter.net/Aizenberg55/status/1718622126624645352

    The numbers published show ridiculous patterns, like days in which almost no man dies or when the number of dead women and children increase more than the total number of dead:

    https://nitter.net/Aizenberg55/status/1731753062622982386

    Then there was the whole hospital parking lot incident, when Hamas made a claim that 500 people died in an air strike on a hospital with 85 beds and that the hospital had been flattened, only to then increase the number of dead to more than 700. Even during that night, it became apparent through footage published by Palestinians themselves that in reality, a rocket fired from Gaza at a city in Israel had malfunctioned and dropped on the area. After sunrise, it turned out that the hospital was still standing. Hamas officials later claimed, when asked about the projectile, that “the missile has dissolved like salt in the water. It’s vaporized. Nothing is left.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/22/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-hospital-evidence.html

    Those 500, later reduced to 470, from this blast are still part of the official death toll. One has to assume that, given the pattern we have seen so far and the frequent tendency of Hamas officials to blame Israel for their own rockets and that of affiliated groups falling onto the strip (the failure rate is between 15 and 25%), that this kind of false reporting is common and routine, making the numbers released anything but reliable.

    But keep up your propaganda, bro.

    Welcome to the post-information age, where obvious and transparent lies are being eaten up by well-meaning, but naive people and using the most basic critical thinking skills gets someone labeled as a propagandist. Seriously, you and so many others are eating up whatever Hamas says and it’s embarrassing. They are no different than ISIS, yet you didn’t do the same with any press releases made by that terror group. Why is that?

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      11 months ago

      You continuously link to conspiracy sites and random parties social media posts. Your evidence is a joke.

      Show me an actual source from an organization that works in Gaza, saying the numbers are falsified, not another Israel apologist cooking numbers on Twitter.

      You take one claim, that the Health Ministry is including the Al-Shifa numbers in their data currently, without citation, and use that claim to extrapolate that any numbers must all be false.

      And again, your only argument is, “it’s Hamas and you’re eating it up!”.

      Israel has released plenty of numbers of persons killed throughout the conflict, both on their and on Hamas’ sides.