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the degree to which humans are terrified of their own bodies is ridiculous.
At this point it really has become a site that provides soft core porn to children though, or where loners go to have some titty steamer exploit their desperation.
It’s just not the platform for it. Do it on a porn site, not where kids go to watch video games.
This is kind of an intentional cognitive dissonance for Twitch due to its having a conflict of interests.
On the one hand, it wants to tell viewers and advertisers that it cracks down on adult only content.
But on the other hand, the more adult content they let through, the more money they make.
It would be very easy to either make an age restricted section where adult stuff would be allowed, or to completely banish streamers who are the modern equivalent of burlesque. But one is bad PR and the other is bad for revenue.
It’s not that simple. Porn is a huge risk for a company, especially if it’s user-generated content. You have to police access against underage kids who want to watch that content, and also have an enormous team devoted to immediately take down CSAM.
Lots of payment processors and advertisers do not want to associate themselves with porn because there are too many PR risks. Ask Pornhub how difficult it is to be a porn company on the internet, they’ve had lots of thorny problems. Or look at Reddit and how it’s handling porn content before the IPO: they can’t outright ban it or they’ll lose users (e.g. Tumblr, another great example of what I’m talking about), so they are trying to hide it as much as possible.
Basically trying to monetize porn is not worth the headache. Last but not least, because there is so much free porn around. Risking so much to gain a few users that could go somewhere else in a whim is REALLY not worth it
I’ve seen the payment processor argument a lot about this regarding twitch specifically, but I really don’t think it holds any weight in this one specific case. This is Amazon we are talking about. They are one of the 3 entities in the whole goddamn world who could dictate terms to Visa, not the other way around.
Some of them may not have a choice, though, if their internal rules say that they can’t be associated with porn. Also it’s not only payment processors, but also advertisers and, most importantly, investors. Imagine if all the stock holders, overnight, effectively found themselves investing in porn. Lots of them would be (or feel) obligated to sell their stock. Remember Amazon is an American company, and porn is not taken lightly in the US
Amazon suddenly and officially operating an “adult entertainment” site would change quite a lot for them. How many funds and asset managers would have to drop Amazon stock because their asset allocation states that they can’t invest in the production of pornography.
Won’t someone think of BYU’s endowment!!
It’s not like they don’t have any age restrictions, the streamers that do that stuff have to mark their streams 18+ and add ‘sexual themes’ tags or they get banned. If chatters even imply their under 18 they must be banned or the streamer gets banned. Im pretty sure you cant see 18+ streams unless you tell the website you’re 18, which would mean it’s about as much of a gate that pornhub makes you jump through. They make gambling streams have the same rules but their tag says may contain gambling.
I agree. If you want to have a “nude gamer” format on one of the adult streaming sites I don’t think that’s forbidden.
There actually was a platform called Plex for exactly that, but it seems to have gone bust.
Edit: Why on earth would anybody downvote this fact? Plex Streams was definetely a thing.Edit2: Just remembered it was called Plexstorm, apologies for the confusion.
For further clarity on why this was a funny mixup, to anyone who sees this, Plex is also a thing, but it is a very different thing, just with a very similar name.
I had to specifically search out any of the “titty streams” that you speak of.
If kids are going to seek it out, they’re going to seek it out. The problem is that porn sites generally have a much lower quality level, as people just sweep it under the rug and expect it to be seedy and gross.
Sex is not evil, peoples bodies aren’t shameful. The entire reason these streams are so effective at exploiting that is because of the shaming and ostracizing of sex positivity. This isn’t a good thing, it’s just damage control as they lose advertising revenue as pearl clutchers whine about it in their monthly letter to the editor.
You could make similar arguments about gambling being a moral panic and they shouldn’t ban that on the site. Selling sex to kids is just as exploitive and repugnant. Maybe selling violence to them is too. You’ll eventually find a line to draw for something being a vice, even if you don’t think this is it.
Now you’re equating violence and gambling to sex? Sounds like you’re doing exactly what I described in my comment. Equating sexuality with filth and disease.
Yes, there will always be people who do their best to exploit base desires (especially in our current economic systems), that doesn’t mean what they use to exploit people is inherently bad. Maybe if we stopped trying to hide sexuality under the carpet like dust bunnies when your mother-in-law visits it wouldn’t be nearly as exploitable.
You’re being too European dude stop it /s
I think the fact that it is exploitive should ban it. I don’t particularly view twitch as the vanguard of a sexual revolution. I view it as a profit extracting arm of a megacorporation. It’s explicit selling sex to kids. It shouldn’t be normalized. You could argue that sex should be normalized, but exploitation (particularly in a sexual context) of children should not be.
When you sell something to someone, you’re not exploiting them. You’ve got some terms mixed up here.
Selling sex to kids is just as exploitive and repugnant.
Why are we nuking implied nudity entirely off a website to solve a different problem, i.e. kids having access to their parents’ credit cards?
You could make similar arguments about gambling being a moral panic and they shouldn’t ban that on the site.
I mean yeah, banning gambling is weird as fuck and just creates black markets
I have an unused twitch account that I used to watch league of legends on in the mid 2010s. I logged in the other day for the first time in years, and the top stream was titled “NAKED JUMPING JACKS IN SHOWER” and had a nude girl taking a shower. A ton of the other recommendations were the same.
People don’t have to search these streams out, whatever recommendation algorithms they use are recommending them to people who have only used twitch to stream games.
Imo twitch is a website for game streaming, there are plenty of other sites for sexual content.
I don’t understand how any of this is a problem. Just, like, parent your fuckin kids.
This is one step from “take the books out of libraries” level of paternalism
I have yet to see any of this so called soft core porn. Granted I only watch a few streamers regularly. But I don’t think the problem is as wide spread as it’s been made out to be. I can click on any random twitch channel streaming (and have before more than a few times), and I’ve never seen any of this issue.
Go to the IRL or Hot Tub sections and find something that isn’t softcore porn.
… why is there a Hot Tub section on a gaming site, and what else would it be for?
It’s there to get it away from the other categories. Every category isn’t just a game, there’s other stuff like events, just chatting etc to cover any content that isn’t specific to a single game (like a gaming related podcast for example), so playing a game isn’t required you can just talk at the audience. People who make the sexual content were using those more generic non-gaming categories (as well as popular gaming categories but having the game running in a tiny box in the corner) but advertisers took issue with advertising on the sexual streams, so Twitch made ways to segregate them from the content advertisers wanted to pay for.
loners go to have some titty steamer
Steaming makes your titties healthier compared to frying
If the issue is age appropriate content, that should also apply to the games being played. Yet children can watch people playing GTA just fine and nobody cares.
This is the part I don’t get. Let’s let 13 year olds chat with strangers while watching a dude brutally beat a hooker with a baseball bat in a game, but let’s draw the line when streamers have nipples off camera. I have a 13 year old and hell no he isn’t allowed on twitch, youtube, or any social media sites.
Correction, ‘the degree to which humans are terrified of the outer layer of their bodies is ridiculous’
Blood. Guts, and brain matter are a Saturday staple in America, but keep those nipples (of the female variety, male nips are mmm-hmm a-okay) hidden.
To be fair, if somebody starts streaming without their skin on I’m going to nope the fuck out really quick.
And I sadly would decide that’s my time to check out Twitch.
quick screenshot, then close window
The visible woman? Chrysalis?
lol, fair point
But video games where you violently kill people? 100% cool and good.
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Whatya mean? You can twitch combat games all day that show every component of the human body flying through the air, appendages, intestines, no problem. Just gotta make sure there’s no nipples rendered on the flying parts…
No female nipples. Bare male chests are perfectly fine.
Get someone like GG Bridget or Poison from Final Fight and the website implodes though.
It’s highly country specific… America’s puritanical roots seem to still hold sway. Go to Western Europe and nudity is commonplace
Go to Western Europe and nudity is commonplace
Meh, we’ve been negatively influenced by the puritans I’m afraid.
Meh. Advertising is. They just don’t want to become butthole Oreos.
Pretend for a moment we live in a world where sex occurs as commonly as a handshake or a hug. In this world sex is everywhere. You grow up and see your parents have sex openly perhaps hundreds of times. When you go to your friend’s house you see their parents doing the deed. You and your friend even did it a few times.
Perhaps a half dozen times you see grandma and grandpa doing it after thanksgiving dinner. No big deal, you’ve seen it so many times now, you barely even look. There is sex in clubs, sex in a city bus, sex at lunch at offices. But amazingly no sex in bathroom stalls or rest areas, or dirty hotels, what few that even exist in this world.
You personally have sex maybe 20 times with various peers before you reach your 18th birthday. You struggle to even remember. You lost count a while ago because it is honestly like the question “how many times did you have eggs for breakfast.” By the time you reach your thirties it’s anyone’s guess.
This is the world where no one would care about implied nudity or even full on sex on Twitch. And forget about the taboo-driven sex addictions that are problems. We’d have other taboos, sure, but they wouldn’t be about sex.
Nudity does not equal sex. People could give up clothes completely and continue with their lives as normal and I bet there would not be any noticable uptick in sex. People have sex, usually in private, even if they would be straight up nudists.
My guess is it would de-sexualize the naked form somewhat.
I can imagine it but what point are you trying to make here?
That they want to see their parents and grandparents going at it.
Someone read the first chapter of “Brave New World” and thought it was a true indictment of modern culture.
Pretend for a moment we live in a world where sex occurs as commonly as a handshake or a hug.
So I’m not the only one to have that idea cross their mind! Thank you sir, for making me feel less weird.
It would still feel strange to open twitch just to discover dozens of streamers shaking hands though.
nobody here is advocating this, nor would this be necessary to address or to even reduce irrational/outmoded taboos surrounding nudity and sex.
going to all the trouble to illustrate such a bizarre extreme only proves the point that you’re willing to imagine such a thing out of fear (or to scare others) rather than address the actual problem.
Wasn’t any trouble, but one ridiculous extreme can sometimes shine a light on another…
Sometimes, but not in this case.
This is literally my ideal world.
You personally have sex maybe 20 times with various peers before you reach your 18th birthday.
But surely this is already the norm, yeah? Who is sexually active and has sex less than 20 times? Did you mean 20 partners?
Whats ridiculous is your body can just NOPE NOT GOING TO BE A BODY GOING TO BE CANCER. Wait what were we talking about? Exestential feelings of death barbie?
I think it’s less about the nudity and more about the sexualization. People are trying to replicate an OnlyFans account on a platform designed for kids, which is where people take issue. Considering streaming is so competitive, they’re trying to stand out from the crowd by getting as close to porn as they can.
What do you mean for kids? You can play Mortal Kombat 1 fine on twitch.
I mean the intended audience is kids. The site has been around long enough now that some of those kids are now adults but that doesn’t really change anything. There are plenty of sites where you can view tits and ass all day long. Should kids really be subjected to borderline pornography all so Amazon and some influencers can earn more money?
Ok so hide it behind a mature content wall. Oh wait it already is.
Are you claiming this mature content tag is infallible and people aren’t finding loopholes or skirting the rules? Isn’t that how we ended up with people streaming from hot tubs or doing jumping jacks in a bikini in the first place?
They’re not replicating OF, their advertising their OF, and there’s nothing about twitch or these streams that explicitly advertises to children.
It’s a North American passtime since at least the Witch Burnings… 😕
I’m not terrified of my body. I’m terrified of my aunt Roxy’s body. I also don’t want any children to see what I saw that one desolate evening. It’s probably also good not to let young girl’s minds dwell on the concept of being a bimbo streamer while they’re supposed to be learning in school.
Hole up! Doesn’t the existence of clothing imply nudity? Covering the nudity is what clothing is for! I feel like they hadn’t thought that through all the way.
I bet you are naked under those pants, you slut.
I swear everytime Twitch updates their policies for clarity, they just get even more confusing.
I’ve never used Twitch and never tried to keep up to date with anything related, but news about it are hard to miss nowadays. And from just my barely surface level exposure to it, it’s so weird. It seems like they completely switch every few months or weeks from “we will allow nudity and even take steps to make it a thing on our platform” to “absolutely no nudity and everyone that tries till get banned”.
What the fuck is going on?
It’s hard because they want the cut they get of horny donations but they don’t want to be a sex site.
My theory is that they’re trying to find the perfect mix of horny gamers shelling out for bits and subs while staying just within the bounds of what advertisers will allow.
They just got pissed at people using censor bars on themselves to make it look like they were naked (in protest for Twitch backing down on their nudity policy).
Yes, it’s a salty move, and yes, they’re being assholes about it.
The thots are assholes right?
Because twitch is a gaming platform, not a PG-13 Onlyfans advertisement platform.
Or is it?
Not only Twitch features many games with sexual content, which seem to be fine as long as the publisher is big enough. It also doesn’t seem to mind streamers that are only there to chat or draw or do anything else not game related.
So, what’s the problem here? If people think it’s so bad they can just go watch something else.
I’ll never understand this puritan gamer resentment at streamers who dare to rely on sexual appeal over skill or humor or art or any other myriad of ways someone might get an audience.
You start allowing this type of sexual content and the place turns into a porn site. It’s what we saw, where you scroll down the more popular streams and it’s all sexual content.
Especially on a website with a lot of young people, it just isn’t right. Leave that stuff for the cam sites.
Nah. Even before any crackdown, Twitch was still a primarily about streaming games.
Young children shouldn’t be in chats with strangers period, but that’s not treated as a concern. Nor do people mind if they watch GTA or Mortal Kombat, or slots.
This is not really about concerns over what sort of content children are being exposed to, it’s the same old “won’t you please think of the children” cheap moral panic of always, The outrage that if a kid sees a booby they are basically defiled forever. Then the kid goes and sees a booby anyway, in some M-rated game that is streamed with no restrictions. You can even find people drawing NSFW art,
Rather than dancing around how much sexual content to allow, in what form, from who, maybe they could simply be thorough with age verification.
On top of that there’s some weird gamer outrage that if the main appeal of a streamer is not a game, they are unworthy “manipulative thots”. The incel talk you see in this sort of threads is crazy.
Didnt have to scroll down at all.
last time I opened twitch.tv most the suggested streams were women either doing fake toplessness by wearing like a tube top that was just out of frame, or actually fucking naked and hiding it with hands/tape/paper towel tubes/what the fuck over. (And before you even say it, no, twitch is not suggesting shit to me that I watch. I actively click not interested on all of this shit, for weeks, and it STILL made my front page nothing but that shit)
If I want to see that shit, theres a thousand and one porn sites I can easily and quickly see it on.
I’m on twitch to see people play interesting games and be entertaining.
Not to watch some dumb thots try to get 13 year olds to steal their parents credit cards to rack up only fans sales.
Humor and art are vastly different than spreading eagle with a black censor bar covering your shit, or drooling and licking a microphone ear to help the incels rub one out.
Please don’t insult artists, comedians, or any other talent with comparisons to that.
Just sounds like you don’t respect nsfw artist and performers to be honest. Just anybody talking casually on the mic is good enough for a “proper” stream, but if their performance is sexually suggestive you judge it for lacking some shakespearean quality.
Nevermind that it does take effort to look and sound sexy.
C’mon, do you really want to try passing this outrage at sexy streamers as a greater reverence for the arts? As if art is never raunchy or crude? No drawing? No comedy? Get real.
Who cares? Twitch should just give a way to hide these kind of streams for users who dont want to see them.
Because the platform is a gaming and gamer-social platform.
Nothing wrong with nudity, just find the appropriate platform for it, not a gaming one.
If Twitch is a gaming platform, why is there a “Pools, workout and beaches” category? 99% of streams there are hot babes in bikinis, with some linking to their OF accounts in their profile. And then there’s the fashion show with models in skin tape that most of the time only covers the crotch and nips.
Now, I’m not against streamers showing skin; Twitch can definitely open an “After Dark” section only available to adults and still forbid explicit or simulated sex. But the way all this fiasco took place screams bad management to me.
Artistic nudity allowedImplied nudity prohibited
Artistic nudity must be explicit.
Great, now where will I go to find naked people on the internet?
You’re already there!
Vidi, veni, vici.
Letting people twerk but not letting implied nudity indicates zero effective thought or principle on these actions.
Absolutely incompetent morons.
Twerking is just aggressive ass dancing bro. The real danger is the potential of a possible idea or hint that someone is probably naked. And in order to prevent this, I here by recommend every streamer wears skin tight body suits. So we know for sure they aren’t naked.
Intellectual dishonesty seems to be a specialty online.
It’s sexual innuendo and very blatant at that.
One thing is easier to define than another.
Twerking is mimicking cock riding as a form of dance.
I personally don’t care, the only thing I’m irritated with is their very clear reactionary responses to prudish morons, complete inconsistency and lack of principled stance.
Either let it all be allowed or don’t allow any of it.
This is getting to a point of extreme intellectual dishonesty.
Ah yeah, so in our role book we’re expecting the kids to read and follow, we gotta talk about cock riding now.
If you’re letting your children use twitch or any social media, you’ve already failed as a parent anyway so what do you care, really?
You either are raising your kids or you’re letting the internet raise your kids.
If it’s the latter, your opinion isn’t worth shit, if it’s the former then what twitch does shouldn’t be a problem because you should have full control of what your children see online.
It’s not your company to control the image of. I don’t have kids. Go be a bimbo where that’s accepted. Don’t do that in places that cater to kids. This isn’t complicated.
Twitch does not cater to children.
A few creators that happen to do childrens content does not negate the reality that justin.tv, now twitch.tv, was designed from the ground up for an 18+ audience and no amount of your intellectual dishonesty on this matter will change that reality.
Children do not have credit cards.
That immediately nullifies your completely moronic argument on this matter.
Also the fact you went for personal insults instead of debating the actual matter indicates that you are well aware that you are wrong but are continuing to pursue this unbelievably moronic take to push your worldview, not because of what’s actually extant in reality.
ROFL!! Whatever you say guy.
We want Twitch to be a place where all communities feel welcome.
And in the same breath they ban certain community categories because you can see human bodies. This is not about making people feel welcome, it’s about controlling them, obviously.
Drat. I loved the chaos.
Nooooo now I’ll have to go to chaturbate! /s
Twitch users: how dare you force me to watch thirst trap content. I am completely in control of myself.
I think the problem was it was the first thing anyone logging into twitch saw.
I’m fine seeing nudity, but it’s also not what I want to see being promoted in my face when I’m logging in to watch a game. It’s not a good look.
I think the CEO told a streamer recently in an interview that the problem is the thumbnails.
I imagine Kick.com might leverage this but who knows
Waiting for the first thot to be “banned” from the newest rule changes and gain exposure on LSF only to come back a few weeks later with more subscribers
Twitch would be amazing if not for the porn addicted coomers and the OF models they support
Because of the implication
