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You know, I don’t see the problem here. Though the language is currently problematic, it’s a valid message.
I disagree with the language being problematic, since the dictionary definition of “retard” is literally to be held back or to hold back. Persons who are mentally held back are by definition being mentally retarded. It’s a valid clinical term.
It really is a shame that “retarded” became a word of disparagement and slang for those who are stupid. A word which is widely regarded as insulting more than anything else.
The other thing that saddens me is that while we have associations for people who are clearly and significantly mentally handicapped, when it comes to simple mental health for everyone else, it’s often regarded as a sign of weakness. Any attempt to seek help for any mental issues is generally looked down upon. There’s a large number of people who not only would benefit from mental health services but need them to lead fulfilling lives. So many people struggle with disorders that aren’t as obvious and have no facilities to seek help or even a diagnosis to understand themselves; at least not without significant personal resources at their disposal, which most lack.
That whole side of humanity generally just needs a small push to get to their potential, and they are often denied a chance to get that push. Either from economic barriers, or social stigma, or other reasons. We actively harm the potential of the race, in my opinion, by allowing those people to continue to struggle with disorders they don’t understand that may be able to be solved with a fairly simple prescription, or changes in their behaviors.
Given how massive this issue is and how easily it could be solved (by providing very basic mental health services to everyone who needs them), I’m continually disappointed in humanity as a whole that this is allowed to continue. This message, no matter what Barbara might say, or want to have happen with this message, it is one that should be repeated, perhaps with more modern terms, and such institutions as what is promoted here, should be maintained. There’s no shame in needing help; regardless if you are someone with a mental disorder, or full mental disability, those services should be made available.
Though the language is currently problematic, it’s a valid message.
Back in the 80s, many people lamented how the word gay had been “ruined” for them.
From that time, there was a sketch by Toronto’s comedy troupe The Kids In The Hall of a little old lady lamenting how the word f-gg#t had been ruined for her. Back in her day, a f-gg#t was a bundle of dry sticks, “on cold winter nights we’d huddle by the fireplace and we’d throw another f-gg#t in the fire”, she says with a sigh.
Then she goes on to say how she used to like fisting - calls it a needlepoint technique - until her friends told her what that word meant now.
She speculates that the word rambler might now mean something filthy, too. All those lovely old words, now tucked away, can’t use them anymore.
EDIT: I am using a certain word in historical context here, got censored, so I edited it to see if it now flies under the bots’ radar.
As far as it becoming a word of disparagement and slang for those who are stupid - thats basically what constantly happens. A new word comes out and eventually it is used to insult people and then another new word starts being used.
“Autism” seems to be the new accepted term to bastardize into a pejorative, but we haven’t reached the point where the scientific community has to abandon it yet.
It really is a shame that “retarded” became a word of disparagement and slang for those who are stupid. A word which is widely regarded as insulting more than anything else.
“Moron” was literally something doctors used to describe certain patients once too. Any clinical term used to describe someone of low intelligence (putting aside the difficulties in making that determination in any universal sense) will inevitably be used as a pejorative/insult. It can’t be stopped.
Yep. In the 90s when I grew up, the politically correct term was “mentally challenged”, which eventually started being used as an insult. The current term is “special needs” and already I’ve seen it used as an insult.
The word, Autistic, is just beginning this journey. I’ve seen people use that as an insult, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is considered antiquated and insulting by the time I am old.
I agree 100%, if I may add: Society has also little place for “stupid” people. I mean people with a smaller IQ but who are not special needs. I have a friends who really, with all the best of support, is just not smart. Who has barely managed to finish school and couldn’t understand stuff in their vocational training (I live in Germany, that’s the typical route to go). She is working in a cafeteria now, serving food. She has this job for years and years now, she’s well adapted there. It’s not a special needs job, it is just the kind of job you get if you don’t have a (vocational) degree to show for.
And there is no actual problem with that. She has friends and a husband and a fulfilling life. She’s happy. She does her job well. You can argue that school has failed her but the truth is no matter what you do, she’d never become a lawyer or an accountant. That’s just not in the cards for her. And that’s ok. But what’s not is that she is struggling with money. Because this is where society fails her. Assuming that you can always do better, have a “higher” job, if you just try hard enough. Like, no. We all have limitations. I couldn’t be a doctor because I faint when someone tells me about injuries. That’s ok, too. She won’t have a career or manage the canteen, she’s content, she doesn’t want that either, but she will probably have to work until she dies because her retirement won’t be enough. This isn’t fair.
I’ve seen this with tutoring school children too. Some kids just won’t make it to university and some won’t even finish school. Or they will but that’s just it then. And the sad part is not that they won’t have an amazing education but that despite holding down a job they will just never be able to make it to a point in which they will not struggle financially.
I agree, there will always be differences in intellectual capacity. It’s not a problem as people are needed of every capacity for every type of job to do the work. There’s nothing wrong with someone being of low IQ and taking a job they’re capable of fully grasping. Often, I find that people in positions that suit them often do better at those jobs than people ill suited to their position.
For me it’s really not about how smart you are or what you’re intellectually capable of, it’s about how well you do at the job you have. Knowing the nuances of that position and how to handle situations in the context of the job, which makes you a valuable member of society.
It is shameful that people of low IQ are used as an offending stereotype for society as a whole. Low IQ doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things; especially when taken in context with someone’s utility to society. Some of the most important and helpful people are those with limited intellectual capacity, or holding jobs well suited to people with limited IQ. As an extreme example, say someone who is low IQ works on a farm growing food. That farmer does a good job because they’re all suited to the kind of work they do. This allows more intellectually capable people pursue advancements that can benefit everyone including the farmer. Whether designing vehicles or electronics/computers, or even keeping complex systems running… Everyone is important. People of all IQs and walks of life and everything.
I would argue that people of low IQ are the bedrock of modern society. The people who handle the day to day service needs of the general population. They provide, and maintain the framework in which we all live. Without them, or someone to do those jobs, I believe that society would collapse.
Of course, I continue to believe that everyone of all walks of life should continue to make efforts to improve upon themselves; gain more knowledge and “move up in the world” as they are capable… But no matter what, we still need people who will grow, cook and serve food. We still need people to stock shelves and drive trucks. We still need people to do so much of the work that makes our lives possible at all. Not everyone can be an Einstein. While the notable inventors and thinkers get their names in history books, that progress is built on the backs of hundreds or thousands of “menial labor” workers that helped get us to the point where people of high IQ can spend their lives working on these problems and finding solutions the rest of us couldn’t possibly have thought of.
We’re all a part of the society in which we live, if we’re doing our best to contribute to that society and provide meaningful progress to future generations, then everyone is important. Not just those with fame and notoriety in the history books.
The way I see it is if a word causes harm to people who mean no harm themselves, then we don’t need to use that word in any contexts other than historical. Just like how the use of the words ******, and ******, and my goodness even the word ********* have fallen out of use, rightfully so.
For me, offense is in the listeners mind. Words are simply words. Taking offense to such things is a personal choice. You can choose to be offended or not.
I don’t mean to imply that the victims of bullying or racism or whatever are to blame for their own offense, certainly the words being used as insults is entirely the fault of those that use them in that manner, but it does require that the terms are taken in that same context - as an insult. One term that I feel has had this treatment and been almost turned around by society is the word “gay”. It’s fallen so far out of fashion to use “gay” as a form of insult that in general use, calling someone “gay” isn’t really all that insulting. It’s more offensive to try to use that as an insult than it is precieved as an insult to the listener. Anyone trying to offend with that word is usually seen as someone who is ignorant at best. I have been the victim of bullying in my youth and I have been called gay on several occasions. I am not gay, nor any other classification of LGBTQ+; I support equal rights for everyone including and especially the LGBTQ+ community members. I’m great described as an ally of the group.
The fact is, several previously offensive terms in this same vein, have been taken back by the communities that were one offended at the use. Sometimes the term becomes endearing more than any kind of offensive. Among the African community we see this with “the N word”. Though that’s an internal community use, and not more generalized like gay has become.
I don’t think that my opinions on whether words are or should be offensive changes anything; I have no issues avoiding these problematic words to benefit my fellow humans, and make them more comfortable in what I’m trying to say. Avoiding even the implication that I’m being offensive in my terminology. I feel that restricting my use (or rather eliminating it) of certain words to benefit others, is a small price to pay to help my fellow humans. So small in fact that it goes almost completely unnoticed; and that’s fine. I don’t need nor want recognition for anything I’m doing for the benefit of others. I feel as though it’s my duty to ensure that I am correctly understood, and that no offense is taken when no offense is intended; furthermore, I never intend offense, since there’s never a good enough reason to simply disparage people whom I don’t know, and usually good reasons not to disparage people I know. So to me, even the risk of someone taking offense at something I say is far too much of a risk for me to even say the words that they will find offensive.
“So unto others as you would have them do unto you” - one of the few things I live by. I wish to be treated with respect and dignity, so I will treat others with the respect and dignity I hope that they will give me. Though this statement is most frequently referenced by religion, specifically Christian religions, I am not religious, but the statement is nevertheless valid and something I try to adhere to.
The main factor that saddens me is that my friends and fellow humans allow their emotions to be dictated by the use of these offensive terms by ignorant and uncaring people. The most important thing to me of everything I’ve said is the underlying implication that by getting angry at the use of a word by someone who doesn’t respect you enough to avoid it, gives them control over you and your emotions. The anger is justified, and I’m not going to say, nor imply its wrong to be upset, your feelings are valid; but giving someone else control over you for using a word? It seems like you’re giving bigots and assholes far too much power. They don’t deserve it and they certainly don’t deserve your attention, or time… And they certainly don’t deserve to have any control over you at all. You deserve better than that from them, and from yourself.
But, far be it for me to tell anyone how to think or how to live. I will do my best out here, and I hope that makes a difference to those around me. I hope that others do the same and collectively, we can eliminate such offense towards individuals at the mere utterance of such words, and they’ll fall from favor as “gay” already has done.
I love all of you, no matter what you believe, who you are, or any other factor that might divide us. I wish you all the very best and all the happiness in the world.
You know, I don’t see the problem here. Though the language is currently problematic, it’s a valid message.
I disagree with the language being problematic, since the dictionary definition of “retard” is literally to be held back or to hold back. Persons who are mentally held back are by definition being mentally retarded. It’s a valid clinical term.
It really is a shame that “retarded” became a word of disparagement and slang for those who are stupid. A word which is widely regarded as insulting more than anything else.
The other thing that saddens me is that while we have associations for people who are clearly and significantly mentally handicapped, when it comes to simple mental health for everyone else, it’s often regarded as a sign of weakness. Any attempt to seek help for any mental issues is generally looked down upon. There’s a large number of people who not only would benefit from mental health services but need them to lead fulfilling lives. So many people struggle with disorders that aren’t as obvious and have no facilities to seek help or even a diagnosis to understand themselves; at least not without significant personal resources at their disposal, which most lack.
That whole side of humanity generally just needs a small push to get to their potential, and they are often denied a chance to get that push. Either from economic barriers, or social stigma, or other reasons. We actively harm the potential of the race, in my opinion, by allowing those people to continue to struggle with disorders they don’t understand that may be able to be solved with a fairly simple prescription, or changes in their behaviors.
Given how massive this issue is and how easily it could be solved (by providing very basic mental health services to everyone who needs them), I’m continually disappointed in humanity as a whole that this is allowed to continue. This message, no matter what Barbara might say, or want to have happen with this message, it is one that should be repeated, perhaps with more modern terms, and such institutions as what is promoted here, should be maintained. There’s no shame in needing help; regardless if you are someone with a mental disorder, or full mental disability, those services should be made available.
Back in the 80s, many people lamented how the word gay had been “ruined” for them.
From that time, there was a sketch by Toronto’s comedy troupe The Kids In The Hall of a little old lady lamenting how the word f-gg#t had been ruined for her. Back in her day, a f-gg#t was a bundle of dry sticks, “on cold winter nights we’d huddle by the fireplace and we’d throw another f-gg#t in the fire”, she says with a sigh.
Then she goes on to say how she used to like fisting - calls it a needlepoint technique - until her friends told her what that word meant now.
She speculates that the word rambler might now mean something filthy, too. All those lovely old words, now tucked away, can’t use them anymore.
EDIT: I am using a certain word in historical context here, got censored, so I edited it to see if it now flies under the bots’ radar.
As far as it becoming a word of disparagement and slang for those who are stupid - thats basically what constantly happens. A new word comes out and eventually it is used to insult people and then another new word starts being used.
For an example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
“Autism” seems to be the new accepted term to bastardize into a pejorative, but we haven’t reached the point where the scientific community has to abandon it yet.
“Moron” was literally something doctors used to describe certain patients once too. Any clinical term used to describe someone of low intelligence (putting aside the difficulties in making that determination in any universal sense) will inevitably be used as a pejorative/insult. It can’t be stopped.
Yep. In the 90s when I grew up, the politically correct term was “mentally challenged”, which eventually started being used as an insult. The current term is “special needs” and already I’ve seen it used as an insult.
The word, Autistic, is just beginning this journey. I’ve seen people use that as an insult, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is considered antiquated and insulting by the time I am old.
Special was also being used as an insult in the 90s…
Same with “simpleton”, “idiot”, “feeble-minded”, and “imbecile”. It really is fascinating how language evolves.
The semantic treadmill can’t be stopped.
I agree 100%, if I may add: Society has also little place for “stupid” people. I mean people with a smaller IQ but who are not special needs. I have a friends who really, with all the best of support, is just not smart. Who has barely managed to finish school and couldn’t understand stuff in their vocational training (I live in Germany, that’s the typical route to go). She is working in a cafeteria now, serving food. She has this job for years and years now, she’s well adapted there. It’s not a special needs job, it is just the kind of job you get if you don’t have a (vocational) degree to show for.
And there is no actual problem with that. She has friends and a husband and a fulfilling life. She’s happy. She does her job well. You can argue that school has failed her but the truth is no matter what you do, she’d never become a lawyer or an accountant. That’s just not in the cards for her. And that’s ok. But what’s not is that she is struggling with money. Because this is where society fails her. Assuming that you can always do better, have a “higher” job, if you just try hard enough. Like, no. We all have limitations. I couldn’t be a doctor because I faint when someone tells me about injuries. That’s ok, too. She won’t have a career or manage the canteen, she’s content, she doesn’t want that either, but she will probably have to work until she dies because her retirement won’t be enough. This isn’t fair.
I’ve seen this with tutoring school children too. Some kids just won’t make it to university and some won’t even finish school. Or they will but that’s just it then. And the sad part is not that they won’t have an amazing education but that despite holding down a job they will just never be able to make it to a point in which they will not struggle financially.
I agree, there will always be differences in intellectual capacity. It’s not a problem as people are needed of every capacity for every type of job to do the work. There’s nothing wrong with someone being of low IQ and taking a job they’re capable of fully grasping. Often, I find that people in positions that suit them often do better at those jobs than people ill suited to their position.
For me it’s really not about how smart you are or what you’re intellectually capable of, it’s about how well you do at the job you have. Knowing the nuances of that position and how to handle situations in the context of the job, which makes you a valuable member of society.
It is shameful that people of low IQ are used as an offending stereotype for society as a whole. Low IQ doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things; especially when taken in context with someone’s utility to society. Some of the most important and helpful people are those with limited intellectual capacity, or holding jobs well suited to people with limited IQ. As an extreme example, say someone who is low IQ works on a farm growing food. That farmer does a good job because they’re all suited to the kind of work they do. This allows more intellectually capable people pursue advancements that can benefit everyone including the farmer. Whether designing vehicles or electronics/computers, or even keeping complex systems running… Everyone is important. People of all IQs and walks of life and everything.
I would argue that people of low IQ are the bedrock of modern society. The people who handle the day to day service needs of the general population. They provide, and maintain the framework in which we all live. Without them, or someone to do those jobs, I believe that society would collapse.
Of course, I continue to believe that everyone of all walks of life should continue to make efforts to improve upon themselves; gain more knowledge and “move up in the world” as they are capable… But no matter what, we still need people who will grow, cook and serve food. We still need people to stock shelves and drive trucks. We still need people to do so much of the work that makes our lives possible at all. Not everyone can be an Einstein. While the notable inventors and thinkers get their names in history books, that progress is built on the backs of hundreds or thousands of “menial labor” workers that helped get us to the point where people of high IQ can spend their lives working on these problems and finding solutions the rest of us couldn’t possibly have thought of.
We’re all a part of the society in which we live, if we’re doing our best to contribute to that society and provide meaningful progress to future generations, then everyone is important. Not just those with fame and notoriety in the history books.
The way I see it is if a word causes harm to people who mean no harm themselves, then we don’t need to use that word in any contexts other than historical. Just like how the use of the words ******, and ******, and my goodness even the word ********* have fallen out of use, rightfully so.
For me, offense is in the listeners mind. Words are simply words. Taking offense to such things is a personal choice. You can choose to be offended or not.
I don’t mean to imply that the victims of bullying or racism or whatever are to blame for their own offense, certainly the words being used as insults is entirely the fault of those that use them in that manner, but it does require that the terms are taken in that same context - as an insult. One term that I feel has had this treatment and been almost turned around by society is the word “gay”. It’s fallen so far out of fashion to use “gay” as a form of insult that in general use, calling someone “gay” isn’t really all that insulting. It’s more offensive to try to use that as an insult than it is precieved as an insult to the listener. Anyone trying to offend with that word is usually seen as someone who is ignorant at best. I have been the victim of bullying in my youth and I have been called gay on several occasions. I am not gay, nor any other classification of LGBTQ+; I support equal rights for everyone including and especially the LGBTQ+ community members. I’m great described as an ally of the group.
The fact is, several previously offensive terms in this same vein, have been taken back by the communities that were one offended at the use. Sometimes the term becomes endearing more than any kind of offensive. Among the African community we see this with “the N word”. Though that’s an internal community use, and not more generalized like gay has become.
I don’t think that my opinions on whether words are or should be offensive changes anything; I have no issues avoiding these problematic words to benefit my fellow humans, and make them more comfortable in what I’m trying to say. Avoiding even the implication that I’m being offensive in my terminology. I feel that restricting my use (or rather eliminating it) of certain words to benefit others, is a small price to pay to help my fellow humans. So small in fact that it goes almost completely unnoticed; and that’s fine. I don’t need nor want recognition for anything I’m doing for the benefit of others. I feel as though it’s my duty to ensure that I am correctly understood, and that no offense is taken when no offense is intended; furthermore, I never intend offense, since there’s never a good enough reason to simply disparage people whom I don’t know, and usually good reasons not to disparage people I know. So to me, even the risk of someone taking offense at something I say is far too much of a risk for me to even say the words that they will find offensive.
“So unto others as you would have them do unto you” - one of the few things I live by. I wish to be treated with respect and dignity, so I will treat others with the respect and dignity I hope that they will give me. Though this statement is most frequently referenced by religion, specifically Christian religions, I am not religious, but the statement is nevertheless valid and something I try to adhere to.
The main factor that saddens me is that my friends and fellow humans allow their emotions to be dictated by the use of these offensive terms by ignorant and uncaring people. The most important thing to me of everything I’ve said is the underlying implication that by getting angry at the use of a word by someone who doesn’t respect you enough to avoid it, gives them control over you and your emotions. The anger is justified, and I’m not going to say, nor imply its wrong to be upset, your feelings are valid; but giving someone else control over you for using a word? It seems like you’re giving bigots and assholes far too much power. They don’t deserve it and they certainly don’t deserve your attention, or time… And they certainly don’t deserve to have any control over you at all. You deserve better than that from them, and from yourself.
But, far be it for me to tell anyone how to think or how to live. I will do my best out here, and I hope that makes a difference to those around me. I hope that others do the same and collectively, we can eliminate such offense towards individuals at the mere utterance of such words, and they’ll fall from favor as “gay” already has done.
I love all of you, no matter what you believe, who you are, or any other factor that might divide us. I wish you all the very best and all the happiness in the world.