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- cross-posted to:
- monde@jlai.lu
- israelpalestine@jlai.lu
Who even needs investigative journalists with hidden cameras when there’s Israeli state television
Who even needs investigative journalists with hidden cameras when there’s Israeli state television
If you’ve got them to spare, sure. I suppose you are right. Bread and cheese alone is no way to feed someone and has plenty of negative health consequence. I still don’t know enough about what the photo shows. How long does this diet persist for, is this a factor of intentional choice or is what they have extra in a warzone!
And to your second point, how about if the muckity mucks come for a tour and inspection, which is what this video seems to me to show, or if this is the intake holding or transport procedure?
I appreciate your perspective on this.
If Israel doesn’t have food to spare then there are far larger problems not being discussed. Also, if this is what their leadership expects then that’s a big problem.
Good points. I hope if the leadership was touring around and saw this position that it was indeed only for very temporary purposes, such as a bang-up or transport.
“Only for a temporary purpose,” says the person ignoring Palestinian suffering in Israeli prisons.
Here enlighten yourself by the words of Israeli Jews because the words of Palestinians like me isn’t good enough for you:
The IDF keeps a Palestinian tied to a tree until 5AM: https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/27690
Children younger than 10-12 handcuffed by the IDF for no good reason: https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/48694
The IDF using Palestinian homes as a military point just to humiliate them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DOZXEj0fA
The IDF torturing handcuffed and blindfolded Palestinians and posting it on TikTok: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugjKevmlsY4
The IDF waiting to ambush a TWELFE-YEAR-OLD child and then kill him: https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/84876 (How brave!!!)
Children as small as 12 are in Israeli prisons for no crimes and with no legal representation. I thought that should horrify you as a lawyer. I really thought you would care about that 🙂 but I have lost all faith in you considering me or people who look like me to be human beings.
Have you ever heard of act propensity evidence? You’re again allowing your emotional thinking to make wild leaps in logic.
Wild leaps of logic? That Israel is committing genocide and torturing Palestinians in a prison iin their apartheid ethnostate?
I often wonder how you take yourself seriously. These are examples of torture and humiliation performed by the IDF, the dossier is bigger than you can imagine, but you will conveniently wave that “act propensity evidence” card or that other “but these are just reports” card so you can protect yourself from the emotional impact of admitting that a genocide is underway.
If you can’t even see what leap of logic you are making with blatant act propensity evidence, it’s because you are not good at evaluating information, and I think it’s because you have no ability to think rationally when you’re uncomfortable with the subject matter. Why not leave yet thinking to people who know how to do it?
I think this is where you and I part ways. Your rambling about Israel and America not being democracies is a bridge too far for me. It’s like you’re a flat earther.
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Bud, are you fucking kidding me? How irrational is it to erect your own bias wall? “Democracy” is not above criticism, and “Democracy” without Palestinians is a racist farce. I never said current America is not a democracy, since everyone CAN vote. I said America when African Americans and women couldn’t vote was not a democracy… And I’m saying that Israel, a racist apartheid state that jails and kills and tortures Palestinians because of their ethnicity and doesn’t allow them to vote is not a fucking democracy. You can’t do apartheid and democracy at the same time. That’s fucking insane!
That would be insane. Which one of those two things are you wrong about then?
this is the daily reality of Palestinians in prison… you are just too in love with Israel to admit they do evil and for the life of me I wish I knew why… why are Palestinians not worth a nickle in your eyes?
Do you even know for sure these men are Hamss? Or do you just believe any “report”?
Asking since you seem to think criminals deserve no human rights. As a lawyer I’m sure this isn’t your professional opinion but somehow it’s good enough for Palestinians 🙂
And btw was America a democracy when women and black people couldn’t vote? This was a question on another thread about a similar topic
No I have no idea if they are Hamas. I hope they aren’t doing this to people who just want to live their lives and I don’t think they are.
As to your other question if you’re going to make me respond I think it’s a revealing question for you to ask. It obviously was then and still is, without serious debate by political scientists of that day and this day. You sound as if you’re asking me if the world was flat some arbitrary amount of time ago, it wasn’t then and it still isn’t. And don’t get emotional with me, I didn’t make up all of political science.
Wherever people are practicing democracy, no matter how dim the flame may look to you, it is much brighter than the total darkness of mysticism and fear that governed all societies for most of world history.
As I’ve said I appreciate you and your entire perspective on this and mine is obviously different. I’m about people, and if you must know I represent people exclusively and for me, lasting civil rights, enshrined in primary law and custom, with the consent of the people and checks and balances. It’s incompatible with religious extremists out there chanting death to American and death to Israel. And that’s fine until they start crossing borders to kill civilians and talking about having their own country.
It’s not going to happen.
Why don’t you think they are? What makes you dismiss everything a Palestinian doctor or ambulance staff would say as “mere reports”, but when it’s the IDF or Israel you say shit like “and I don’t think they are.”
Why? What’s the difference? What makes you think they aren’t doing this, when everything else in the news we have been seeing points to the opposite: that torture in Israeli prisons is alive and well and some have even been killed in custody.
So just to get this right:
YOU BELIEVE THAT AMERICA WAS A DEMOCRACY EVEN WHEN WOMEN WERE SEEN AS SUBHUMAN AND NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE AND WHEN BLACK PEOPLE WERE SEEN AS SLAVES AND COULDN’T VOTE?
Well, buddy, then I understand you fully. You’re actually just someone totally okay with fascism as long as its dressed in sheep’s clothing pretending to be a democracy. Regardless or your treatment of women and black people in daily life, what you said is quite racist and sexist given the context. I guess after this I don’t really see why I should keep barking up your tree to see if you consider Palestinians like me to be human beings… you clearly say you will but you never walk the walk just like with women and black people. 🙂
EDIT: even the women sufrage movement agrees with me, and without this argument wonen would not vote today in America:
And you dare gaslight me! Wow!
Democracy is when PEOPLE have the POWER via voting… not *WHITE PEOPLE AND MEN.
What the fuck would that mean to me as a women if I wasn’t allowed to vote in this system!??!?!?
I don’t appreciate you anymore after this…
YOU MEAN LIKE ISRAEL IS DOING NOW TO GAZA? LOL*
It’s people like you who guard the faulty system as it is with this bullshit, @JustZ@lemmy.world. Oh it’s much brigther than the darkness, you see!! that’s why it was still a democracy even if half the population was not considered WORTHY enough to vote, and a large chunk were just slaves okay? But the flame don’t die, okay??.
Lol, lose me with this BS would you?
Wow. Obviously I’m not going to respond substantively to this rambling wall of emotional nonsense.
Right, you can say whatever you want, we will let the readers judge whether this is emotional nonsense or weather you are just biased and don’t realize how much you dehumanize Palestinians.