It’s definitely an issue that’s not going away. The DNC really needs to figure it out and stop pretending that it doesn’t matter to voters.

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      How about another Dem which Biden backs and fully promotes?

      It doesn’t have to be a Hobson’s choice of dinosaurs, the Dems are forcing this situation upon America. It’s not too late for someone else to step in.

      Biden: #PleaseDropOut

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        Yes it absolutely is too late for someone else to step in. You’re voting for Biden or you’re holding the door open for Trump. The sooner you come to terms with that, that better you’ll feel about it.

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          Thank you. I’ve been trying to get this message across. Any vote for anyone other than Biden is a vote in favor of fascism and ushers in our first dictator which likely won’t be trump, it will be whoever takes over when he has a heart attack or something.

          Feel free to vote for whoever you want in the primary, that includes writing in your pet if you feel like it. In the big show, anyone who actually likes our freedom and democracy (with its myriad of flaws) will vote Biden, everyone else will vote for dictatorship even if it doesn’t look like it in the moment.

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            If the DNC is so concerned about protecting democracy from fascism, then they need to instruct Biden to step down immediately and stop wasting time before tapping his replacement.

            Biden’s approval rating is in the gutter. No incumbent in federal office has ever come back to win with such a disastrously low approval rating, not once in the history of USA. You’re telling me Biden is the one who will buck the norm and mount a miraculous comeback? If you really think this, then it appears Blue MAGA is real after all. Get a clue, Jack.

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            > Any vote for anyone other than Biden is a vote in favor of fascism

            a vote for Biden is a vote for fascism, but a vote for Cornel West or Jill Stein is a vote against fascism.

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              West is going to need to get on the ballot in more states than just Alaska and Oregon if that’s going to happen. LOL.

              In the end, it will be West at 1 to 2% of the vote and Stein at 5 to 6% of the vote, same as usual for fringe candidates.

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                  It’s not infantilizing. It’s just calling things as they appear. Children are well known for talking about things they know nothing about.

                  Also… this isn’t a “liberal” thing. It’s what people commonly resort to when they talk to immature randoms on the internet. If you want to be spoken to with respect and maturity, try not acting like a child when you’re corrected.

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                  Ozma’s opinion is that of the optimistic juvenile. They’re absolutely wrong, but it’s going to take them one or more failed election cycles to learn that. It’s OK to be optimistic, the realism will creep in later.

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                    Yeah, this guy that first started voting during the Reagan years know that this approach is not wrong. What’s juvenile is doing the same thing repeatedly election after election after election expecting different results from the exact same people that fucked us over the last time because of some big boogie man that they have sold you. 50 years of the supposed lesser evil has grown so enormous they don’t even recognize what is evil any longer. Where they can witness the guy they support committing a genocide halfway around the world and they believe that the other guy is more dangerous. And claim that he is completely defenseless to prevent these deaths. If the exact same circumstances were happening with Trump in office, every single liberal in this country would be in an uproar and demand that he bring it to a stop insisting he has the power and the ability to bring it to a stop. But now claim that Biden is powerless.

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                You better HOPE they replace Biden at the convention if you really want to defeat Trump.

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              Nothing will happen at the Democratic convention unless Trump is removed during the Republican convention a month earlier.

              Biden is the de facto head of the Democratic party. He’s not going anywhere unless he chooses to.

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              This is correct. If Biden “wins the primary”, then immediately steps down, it becomes a battle for delegates at the convention. Of course the invisible hand of the DNC will actually choose, but it will at least have the surface level appearance of a democratic process.

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          No, I think it’s too late for someone to try and beat Biden in the primary (though I did vote for a challenger, personally). But if Biden came out and said:

          Hey Jack - I’m fucking old and tired. So much like my buddy cornpop I’m going to step aside. Let me introduce yall to this Governor Newsom cat, he’ll be a strong advocate for that climate. No cap, Scranton. Sus.

          Then I think it’d probably go over smoothly. Newsom used above purely as an example - there are a lot of people I’d personally prefer… also, there’s Kamala Harris - the person voted second most likely to lose an election, after her mentor of course.

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          Don’t so patronizing.

          Biden is fundamentally incapable of defending Americans from fascism. At best he can slow it down a little.

          But like? The border policy? He just moved wayyyyy over to the right on. As things stand, I don’t know if it will ever come back.

          So no, I won’t feel better about it, because we’re still getting fucked in the ass.

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          It’s not about my feefees for “my team”. This is about seriously addressing the threat of fascism head on, and recognizing the truth that polling data is telling us - Biden isn’t going to cut it, and virtually any other Dem will do. Americans just don’t want to vote for Biden. The sooner you come to terms with that, the better chance we have of avoiding another disastrous Trump presidency.