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      9 months ago

      Thank you for demonstrating my point without the slightest hint of irony.

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        9 months ago

        Thank you for demonstrating my point without the slightest hint of irony.

        Do you really not understand that there’s a conceptual distinction there at all? You started out by saying it’s a proud leftist tradition to call out other lefties for not being left enough. Which, honestly, fair enough.

        But you think even the very idea of a conceptual distinction between liberals and leftists is an example of that? That’s fucking nuts, and it’s not the nuanced point you think it is.

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        9 months ago

        Did you step out of a time machine from the 18th century? Liberals now represent conservative forces.

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          9 months ago

          Have you lot just rebadged Libertarians?

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            Libertarians arent liberals unless you compare them to really ancient ones, they have hangups about the role of the state in preserving capitalism which leaves them laughing stock.

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              OK, I agree that libertarians are not liberals. They are mostly conservatives who don’t want to pay tax.

              I’m still not following on why you don’t think Liberals are Left wing.

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                  So not what most people think of as “liberals” then.

                  Neoliberals are to liberals what National Socialists are to Socialists.

                  Take it back to the dictionary definition.

                  Liberal (noun)

                  1. a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
                  2. a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

                  Going by the first definition, that’s left. Even going by that second definition, I see three left policies and a right. That’s essentially a lefty being not left enough.

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                    9 months ago

                    Case #363784589 of the most common feature of a liberal being not knowing what liberalism is.

                    It’s not really your fault, it’s entirely by design from the kind of people who hate both liberals and socialists.

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                    That Free Enterprise nullifies everything preceding it. Capitalism is incompatible with any meaningful democracy, liberty, or rights.

                    “It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment.

                    Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.”

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                To chalk up libertarian ideology, which BTW, every single anarchist on this site is a left wing libertarian, to just conservatives that don’t want to pay tax, shows just how little you know or care about understanding political ideologies and how they relate.