• EatATaco@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    Thanks for succinctly and precisely explaining why I really dislike her.

    I’ve tried to explain why to my wife, but I feel like I’ve always missed the mark and she has implied it’s probably a mixture of misogyny and/or racism. Which still may be true I don’t really know. However, next time it comes up, I’ll point out that I dislike her for the same reason I dislike rogan.

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      4 months ago

      Unfortunately, sexism and racism is so rampant from men (conservatism is ingrained into many men as a form of masculinity) that well-intentioned men who criticize toxic and exploitative capitalist women (esp women of color) are immediately lumped into that group of degenerate men. The reality of it is, Oprah is a toxic influence on women and gets off on creating FOMO among her impressionable fanbase. She created Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil, the former of which has had disastrous effects on women’s health esp nutrition because he’s a quack and pretends to be an expert on all things medical, and the latter of which oversimplifies most psych concepts to the point where laypeople think they’re qualified psychologists now.

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      4 months ago

      You really didn’t need to admit that you probably don’t like her because she’s a black woman. If you don’t say this to your wife when adding the joe rogan bit, then you’re being dishonest.

      Edit: Look. OP said that. It’s right there in the comment. I’m not making it up. Oprah sucks? Sure. She’s like Joe Rogan? Okay. My wife said my comments are sexist and racist, and it may be true… dude. That’s all I pointed out. Sorry, but that’s not okay. I’m fine with the downvotes, though I’ll make sure to better portray my point next time.

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        4 months ago

        You really didn’t need to admit that you probably don’t like her because she’s a black woman.

        What do you mean? I don’t believe this to be the case, I believe I don’t like her for the same reason I don’t like rogan, and the last I checked he isn’t a black woman. Recognizing that I may have internalized biases that fall in a blind spot of mine is not an admission of anything nor is it something anyone should be shitting on.

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          But you did say “my wife thinks my comments have a mix of racism and misogyny, which is still maybe true.” How does that paint a good picture in any way?

          But I stand corrected and I admit I had a knee-jerk reaction.

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            4 months ago

            How does that paint a good picture in any way?

            I wasn’t trying to paint a good picture, I was being honest.

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              4 months ago

              Then be honest with yourself for once.

              You say:

              I don’t believe this to be the case,

              How do you reconcile that with “maybe I’m being racist and misogynistic”?

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                I am being honest with myself: I may have internalized biases that I’m not consciously aware of. There’s nothing to reconcile here as these two statements are not mutually exclusive or even contradictory in any way.

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                  I understand what you mean now, and I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying, friend, and sorry for being so quick at judging you.

                  You’re right. Even myself may have some internalized misogyny due to the culture of the country I grew up in. It’s a constant battle between what has been shoved into me as a kid vs. what I’ve later learned or discovered.

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        One of the best ways to come to the conclusion that you need to better yourself in some areas is to be open to the idea you might have a bias.

        But acknowledging you might have a bias does not mean it’s there and you’re OK with it

        And not liking someone who is part of a marginalized group does not always mean a bias either.