If you really liked the idea of eliminating, say, gangs in the US. And I did that by carpet bombing all of LA — or, shit, even if I just limited it to south central—would you still support me? What if, as I did that, I was shooting families that I’ve trapped in south central, that have nothing to do with gangs, would you still support me then? What if I deliberately withheld food and water, medical supplies, and what if I and the entire apparatus was talking about those families as if, “well, they live there. And it’s a gang stronghold, so they are complicit, they’re animals, and they deserve to be shot like sick dogs.” Would you still support me?
But even ignoring alllll of that inconsistent logic, the most outrageous is the idea that this campaign is “dismantling Hamas.” That’s not the case. They’re mostly killing children and non-combatants. Literally 60% of the victims are civilians. Not to mention, this campaign is not eliminating Hamas. it’s actually Increasing support. Because of fuckin course it is. When your family is being killed and your neighborhood is being bombed out of existence and you’re being herded and slaughtered, you’re going to support whatever is fighting against the force that is doing all of that.
I don’t particularly like Hamas either. They’re a right wing religious extremist group. But Israel has actually made me see them entirely differently now. Because they are now freedom fighters against a genocidal, occupying, settling force. How anyone can see it differently that doesn’t actively think of the residents of Gaza as less than human, like I’ve seen countless IDF soldiers expressing, is just baffling to me.
Get off it dude. Gangs in LA didn’t dig 450 miles of tunnels in an area only 25 miles wide and use them for decades to launch tens of thousands of rockets indiscriminately at civilians, dozens of suicide bombings, and now Hamas’s new tactic, mass shootings of civilians.
If the gangs had done that, and the people of Los Angeles kept electing them into power, before canceling all elections, that is, yeah, we might consider targeting those tunnels with full force.
Dude, that is a long response when you could have just said you don’t mind the genocide of the Jews. That is what Hamas wants and the Palestinian people voted them in power.
Since their goal is genocide, you seem ok with that and I’m not. As such I don’t see having a respectful conversation with someone who supports genocide against the Jews.
Jee-zus Christ. I’ve never seen such fuckin cognitive dissonance. Because…you know there’s an active genocide. I mean, that’s what that “long response” (that was only two and a half paragraphs long, which says a lot about the level of intelligence we’re dealing with here) was talking about.
And I’ve taken note about how you completely ignored responding to any point I made. It’s easy, watch:
No. I don’t support the genocide of Jews. In fact, I think the holocaust was downright awful. Also, the last free and fair election in Gaza was in 2006…yknow, before literally half of the entire populationwas born?.
And, funny enough, I’m actually the only one between the two of us who’s taken an anti-genocide stance. So…yeah. Awkward.
Well, apparently very. Because this conversation started with you saying “they need to make sure everyone is fed. This has gone on too long for the size of Gaza.”
But now you think Palestinians are responsible for hamas and deserve what’s coming to them, HAMAS is “committing genocide” against Jewish people—but at the same time “knowing they can’t win” against Israel? And therefore HAMAS is the one “causing massive civilians issues” because they won’t “surrender to Israel.”
I mean, where did that compassion for the people of Gaza go? And Hamas is the one somehow causing all of this, yet knows they can’t defeat Israel, yet is…somehow committing genocide against the Jewish people “they know they can’t win [against].”
So thank you for verifying you’re a thoroughly unserious person who has no fucking idea what they are talking about and whose opinions should be disregarded. (And who also thinks a position on this topic should be summarized in less than two and a half paragraphs. The sign of a true academic.)
It’s not that complex. Stop trying to commit genocide against Jews. Get rid of Hamas who has tried to stop any agreement to give the Palestinians any land.
People often try to make things more complex because they’re trying to hide a weak argument.
If Hamas went away, the life of Palestinians would radically improve.
Right, so gonna continue on with this completely detached from reality nonsense while completely failing to respond to anything I say. This isn’t a conversation. I’m done beating my head against this wall. It’s clear you have no defense, are gaslighting people into thinking the destruction of Gaza is somehow “an active genocide against the Jews.”
You’re sick. And you’ll get older one day and realize you were on the “Nazi/Hutu” side of genocidal history. Gross. And shameful.
The people of Gaza voted Hamas into power almost two decades ago. Hamas is not a legitimate government, does not have the consent of the governed.
As I’ve said before and will keep saying the correct move here, then just move, is for Israel to lift the weapons embargo on Gaza.
Once the people of Gaza are particupating in a functioning weapons economy, then and only then is it legitimate to say they are somehow responsible for Hamas.
Hamas rules unopposed, without the consent of their subjects. Their subjects’ human rights to bear arms is being actively blocked by Israel’s efforts. That is unjust.
Arm the people of Gaza, then and only then can we talk about Hamas representing Gazans.
insurgency works. ask Vietnam, Afghanistan, or even the USA. all resisted imperial power through asymmetric warfare. terrorists most definitely get statehood.
people are responsible for their own emotions. the only reasonable definition of terrorism is activity that the existing political status quo does not approve. that’s it. it doesn’t need to attack someone. it doesn’t need to be violent. the Boston tea party was terrorism as surely as the assassination of the arch duke.
What I have found weird is so many countries are supporting a people that would murder them and attacking a people that treat people well who don’t try to murder them.
If Israel stops fighting, they’ll all be killed. If Hamas stopped fighting, the blockade would be lifted, they could get a country, etc.
yet, Hamas won’t stop. They are using their people as tokens since they know many people hate Jews more than logic.
They have been dismantling Hamas which I fully support.
If you really liked the idea of eliminating, say, gangs in the US. And I did that by carpet bombing all of LA — or, shit, even if I just limited it to south central—would you still support me? What if, as I did that, I was shooting families that I’ve trapped in south central, that have nothing to do with gangs, would you still support me then? What if I deliberately withheld food and water, medical supplies, and what if I and the entire apparatus was talking about those families as if, “well, they live there. And it’s a gang stronghold, so they are complicit, they’re animals, and they deserve to be shot like sick dogs.” Would you still support me?
But even ignoring alllll of that inconsistent logic, the most outrageous is the idea that this campaign is “dismantling Hamas.” That’s not the case. They’re mostly killing children and non-combatants. Literally 60% of the victims are civilians. Not to mention, this campaign is not eliminating Hamas. it’s actually Increasing support. Because of fuckin course it is. When your family is being killed and your neighborhood is being bombed out of existence and you’re being herded and slaughtered, you’re going to support whatever is fighting against the force that is doing all of that.
I don’t particularly like Hamas either. They’re a right wing religious extremist group. But Israel has actually made me see them entirely differently now. Because they are now freedom fighters against a genocidal, occupying, settling force. How anyone can see it differently that doesn’t actively think of the residents of Gaza as less than human, like I’ve seen countless IDF soldiers expressing, is just baffling to me.
Get off it dude. Gangs in LA didn’t dig 450 miles of tunnels in an area only 25 miles wide and use them for decades to launch tens of thousands of rockets indiscriminately at civilians, dozens of suicide bombings, and now Hamas’s new tactic, mass shootings of civilians.
If the gangs had done that, and the people of Los Angeles kept electing them into power, before canceling all elections, that is, yeah, we might consider targeting those tunnels with full force.
Dude, that is a long response when you could have just said you don’t mind the genocide of the Jews. That is what Hamas wants and the Palestinian people voted them in power. Since their goal is genocide, you seem ok with that and I’m not. As such I don’t see having a respectful conversation with someone who supports genocide against the Jews.
Jee-zus Christ. I’ve never seen such fuckin cognitive dissonance. Because…you know there’s an active genocide. I mean, that’s what that “long response” (that was only two and a half paragraphs long, which says a lot about the level of intelligence we’re dealing with here) was talking about.
And I’ve taken note about how you completely ignored responding to any point I made. It’s easy, watch:
No. I don’t support the genocide of Jews. In fact, I think the holocaust was downright awful. Also, the last free and fair election in Gaza was in 2006…yknow, before literally half of the entire population was born?.
And, funny enough, I’m actually the only one between the two of us who’s taken an anti-genocide stance. So…yeah. Awkward.
Yes the active genocide is Hamas against the Jews.
I don’t believe the Palestinians are in the middle of a genocide. Hamas started a war with Israel and now Israel is trying to dismantle hamas.
Israel has never said their goal is to destroy the Palestinian people. Hamas has said they want to kill the Jews.
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If Hamas would stop the war, Israel wouldn’t be at war.
That’s the difference. Yet, Hamas won’t stop it knowing they can’t win and they are causing massive civilians issues.
All they have to do is surrender to Israel and the aid would flow in from around the world.
How fucking deluded can you be?
Well, apparently very. Because this conversation started with you saying “they need to make sure everyone is fed. This has gone on too long for the size of Gaza.” But now you think Palestinians are responsible for hamas and deserve what’s coming to them, HAMAS is “committing genocide” against Jewish people—but at the same time “knowing they can’t win” against Israel? And therefore HAMAS is the one “causing massive civilians issues” because they won’t “surrender to Israel.”
I mean, where did that compassion for the people of Gaza go? And Hamas is the one somehow causing all of this, yet knows they can’t defeat Israel, yet is…somehow committing genocide against the Jewish people “they know they can’t win [against].”
So thank you for verifying you’re a thoroughly unserious person who has no fucking idea what they are talking about and whose opinions should be disregarded. (And who also thinks a position on this topic should be summarized in less than two and a half paragraphs. The sign of a true academic.)
Because that’s some stupid nonsense.
It’s not that complex. Stop trying to commit genocide against Jews. Get rid of Hamas who has tried to stop any agreement to give the Palestinians any land.
People often try to make things more complex because they’re trying to hide a weak argument.
If Hamas went away, the life of Palestinians would radically improve.
Right, so gonna continue on with this completely detached from reality nonsense while completely failing to respond to anything I say. This isn’t a conversation. I’m done beating my head against this wall. It’s clear you have no defense, are gaslighting people into thinking the destruction of Gaza is somehow “an active genocide against the Jews.”
You’re sick. And you’ll get older one day and realize you were on the “Nazi/Hutu” side of genocidal history. Gross. And shameful.
Oct 7th Hamas started a war with Israel. Israel is now dismantling Hamas. This was considered a genocide against Israel by international law.
Once Hamas is gone, the war will end.
It’s weird how you keep trying to defend genocide of the Jews.
The people of Gaza voted Hamas into power almost two decades ago. Hamas is not a legitimate government, does not have the consent of the governed.
As I’ve said before and will keep saying the correct move here, then just move, is for Israel to lift the weapons embargo on Gaza.
Once the people of Gaza are particupating in a functioning weapons economy, then and only then is it legitimate to say they are somehow responsible for Hamas.
Hamas rules unopposed, without the consent of their subjects. Their subjects’ human rights to bear arms is being actively blocked by Israel’s efforts. That is unjust.
Arm the people of Gaza, then and only then can we talk about Hamas representing Gazans.
Finally someone with a brain in their head.
Hamas is wildly popular within its territory.
Terrorists don’t get to have a state.
Ergo, Gaza is not a state.
Terrorists don’t get to have a state.
insurgency works. ask Vietnam, Afghanistan, or even the USA. all resisted imperial power through asymmetric warfare. terrorists most definitely get statehood.
Insurgency is not terrorism
one man’s insurgent
No. Terrorism is when you destabilise the feeling of safety somewhere by attacking civilians
people are responsible for their own emotions. the only reasonable definition of terrorism is activity that the existing political status quo does not approve. that’s it. it doesn’t need to attack someone. it doesn’t need to be violent. the Boston tea party was terrorism as surely as the assassination of the arch duke.
What I have found weird is so many countries are supporting a people that would murder them and attacking a people that treat people well who don’t try to murder them. If Israel stops fighting, they’ll all be killed. If Hamas stopped fighting, the blockade would be lifted, they could get a country, etc. yet, Hamas won’t stop. They are using their people as tokens since they know many people hate Jews more than logic.
This take is so incredibly ignorant of history and reality I can’t even…
It’s not. You just don’t know the history.
Who is stopping the ceasefire now? Hamas.
All Israel needs to do to dismantle Hamas is to stop the weapons embargo for Gaza. Let the people there get rid of Hamas themselves.
Ah yes wow very dismantled especially the proof they made up really inspires confidence in that they’re right on task there