My take:
Well if the leave, the problem somehow took care of themselves. Ideally other communities would be informed about that fact, so the dangerous person has to take accountability before joining another community without working on themselves. So by leaving they are potentially choosing exile till they are ready to actively work on themselves. Idk how that would work for those that dont have a real choice because of a personality disorder or similar things.
Criminals are created, not born. If we address the root causes of criminality, then criminals disappear. You cannot address the root causes of criminality if you imprison people.
Many statistically equitable and privileged citizens still regularly become criminals, but there should certainly be an effort by less equitable societies to mirror the legislative successes of those more equitable.
Abolition means also the abolition of criminal laws. Criminalization defines who in society are deemed as disposable. After criminality has been abolished, this will not mean that harm and conflict disappear. Rather, abolition means dealing with harm and conflict in a healthy way.
You’re also defining criminalization here in a way that it’s not commonly used, so a community-specific dictionary would help focus your community.
The words being used in this community have different standard meanings than how you’re using them, and you’re saying that the way you’re using them is how they’re meant to be interpreted.
If these words are meant to be interpreted in a specialized way, but you don’t explain those new definitions beforehand, it isn’t surprising that you’re going to get some pushback by claiming that blue is red.
Again, abolition includes reform, but its ultimate goal is the revolutionary abolition of the carceral system.
As for definitions, surely you can be smart enough to realize dictionary definitions aren’t the be all end all? Besides, my patience wears thin and I am beginning to believe you’re not here to engage in good faith, so I’m becoming increasingly disinterested in continuing this conversation.
Oh. How do you rehabilitate actively harmful societal elements within that context if they are allowed to continue having society at any moment?
My take: Well if the leave, the problem somehow took care of themselves. Ideally other communities would be informed about that fact, so the dangerous person has to take accountability before joining another community without working on themselves. So by leaving they are potentially choosing exile till they are ready to actively work on themselves. Idk how that would work for those that dont have a real choice because of a personality disorder or similar things.
Criminals are created, not born. If we address the root causes of criminality, then criminals disappear. You cannot address the root causes of criminality if you imprison people.
Criminals may disappear; others will appear.
Many statistically equitable and privileged citizens still regularly become criminals, but there should certainly be an effort by less equitable societies to mirror the legislative successes of those more equitable.
Abolition means also the abolition of criminal laws. Criminalization defines who in society are deemed as disposable. After criminality has been abolished, this will not mean that harm and conflict disappear. Rather, abolition means dealing with harm and conflict in a healthy way.
That is reform, not abolition.
It’s already being done by other countries.
You’re also defining criminalization here in a way that it’s not commonly used, so a community-specific dictionary would help focus your community.
The words being used in this community have different standard meanings than how you’re using them, and you’re saying that the way you’re using them is how they’re meant to be interpreted.
If these words are meant to be interpreted in a specialized way, but you don’t explain those new definitions beforehand, it isn’t surprising that you’re going to get some pushback by claiming that blue is red.
Again, abolition includes reform, but its ultimate goal is the revolutionary abolition of the carceral system.
As for definitions, surely you can be smart enough to realize dictionary definitions aren’t the be all end all? Besides, my patience wears thin and I am beginning to believe you’re not here to engage in good faith, so I’m becoming increasingly disinterested in continuing this conversation.
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