Assuming his stance wasn’t antivax, it could be argued that he could have done much more with his platform to push for vaccine adoption

Oh absolutely, but it’s also pretty clear as why he didn’t. He wanted the votes from the anti-vaxx/mask people too so being ambiquous about that is just a political game tactic. It’s quite similar to how Kamala didn’t seem to want to take a clear stance on Israel or the border situation for example because doing so would likely alienate a large part of her base.

he also told people to inject bleach and take dangerous doses of horse dewormer.

I’m not defending everything Trump has said about ivermectin. My argument is that this specific claim about telling people to take dangerous doses of it is incorrect. If you think I’m mistaken, then please provide me with the quote where he says this because I can’t find it myself.

There was plenty false information about covid and the cures/treatments back then. “Masks don’t protect you from the virus” “The vaccine gives you immunity” “Lab leak theory is conspiracy and xenophobic” etc. It was a moving target. We dealt with the information we had. Some of it turned out to be wrong, some right. I can’t blame people for looking alternative treatments especially when for the longest time vaccines weren’t even available.

In a context where you know this was after a relatively long period of him not doing that.

I don’t agree with this. Operation warp speed was Trump’s project. When it comes to COVID, I feel like he was pro-vaccine since the beginning. Back then it was also the democrats who were expressing scepticism about the safety of it because they didn’t trust Trump and felt like the vaccine was rushed and not properly tested.

completely ignoring the mention of masks.

He has said sceptical things about masks that has caused distrust and conspiracies in the MAGA population. I don’t see the need to defend him on that one.

they can dislike what you are saying and it can also be wrong, they aren’t mutually exclusive.

Sure, but what I mean is that simply being downvoted doesn’t alone mean the information is incorrect and the opposite is true as well. There’s comments in this tread with false info that’s being upvoted.

How is this relevant? This isn’t about wether ivermectin is a treament for COVID or not. It’s about wether Trump has told people to take dangerous doses of it for which I can’t find any evidence for.

Misinformation and disinformation are not synonymous.

A single BTC transaction uses 700kWh of electricity? I’d like to see those documents too now because that doesn’t sound right at all.

He definitely downplayed the seriousness of the pandemic in the beginning. No disagreement there.

However I still don’t quite agree with the suggestion that he’s anti-vaxx. Operation warp speed was his pet-project after all. He has made some vaccine critical comments in the past but personally I never got that impression of him during the pandemic.

You can say that but can you back it up with evidence? Because if not, it’s actually you whose spreading lies here.

Where have I said “no big deal”?

What have I lied about exactly?

What anti-vax claims has Trump made during or after covid?

Except that he did not tell people to inject bleach. That’s misinformation.

Also, calling ivermectin a “horse dewormer” is disingenuous and saying he has made claims about dosages is a lie. Yes, it was originally intented for veterinary use but it was approved for human use too in 1987. People used to buy the paste meant for animals to treat a skin condition because at the time that was the only way to get ivermectin without a perscription which doctors would refuse to write them. That’s where the horse dewormer narrative originates from. However, it’s a legitimate drug (though ineffective against COVID) and to claim otherwise is just partisan thinking not based in reality.

It was to be expected. Downvotes simply mean people don’t like what I’m saying - not that it’s wrong. I say what I believe to be true even when I know it’s unpopular. I just can’t help but to call people out when they make generalized absolute statements like that. I don’t even like Trump but I also seem to be missing the gene or whatever that makes so many absolute lose their minds over him to the point they can’t even think straight anymore.

Surely you can then point out where I’ve been engaging in bad faith here.

Oh it’s definitely a right-wing thing but I wouldn’t exactly blame Trump for all of it. He even got booed at his own rally for telling people to get vaccinated.

I don’t think there’s inherently anything wrong about scepticism towards new things like that. It’s when the disnformation and conspiracies comes in that it turns kinda sinister.

Probably true that it’s more common on the right - in the U.S. atleast.

Well apparently they didn’t exactly say they’d refuse to take it but voiced their scepticism about it nevertheless.

In September, Harris, then the Democratic Party’s vice-presidential candidate, hesitated when asked if she would take a vaccine that was approved before the election.

“I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump,” Harris said, “and it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he’s talking about. I will not take his word for it.”

Cuomo went further, suggesting he mistrusted not just President Donald Trump, but also the Food and Drug Administration under Trump. Asked about his confidence in the FDA, Cuomo indicated he didn’t have much.

“I’m not that confident,” Cuomo said, adding: “You’re going to say to the American people now, ‘Here’s a vaccine, it was new, it was done quickly, but trust this federal administration and their health administration that it’s safe? And we’re not 100 percent sure of the consequences.’ I think it’s going to be a very skeptical American public about taking the vaccine, and they should be.”

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Sure, but the person I was replying to claimed that “Trump’s incompetence caused a million people to die,” and I was questioning whether all of that can really be blamed on him. Because I don’t think so. He was pro-vaccine from the beginning, and there were plenty of Democrat politicians saying they wouldn’t take “the Trump vaccine.”

And no, I don’t think the situation was handled optimally in the U.S. - but that was the case almost everywhere. Obviously, Trump isn’t without fault here, but placing all the blame on him feels disingenuous

Explanation is not excuse.

These systems often cause issues and it may be quite expensive to repair but if you bypass it, it doesn’t affect the performance of the vehicle.

My mortage payments for one year would cover all maintenance I’ve done to the house during the 8 years I’ve lived here including an entire bathroom remodel. Obviously someone less handy would need to hire someone to do the jobs I’ve done myself so that helps a little with the costs, but still. The maintenance costs for my house aren’t even in the top 5 expenses I have.

Are all covid deaths in US because of Trump? What did he exactly do/not do then?

Obviously you should post about it on Lemmy, upvote other posts about it and go into the comments telling the other people who despise him how much you do too. That should do the trick.