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Interesting interview - it is incredibly spicy at points. Both of them lost their cool at several points here and I don’t think either of them come out sounding good.
For what it’s worth I think Hallam’s spiel about acting emotionally instead of using critical thinking sounds pretty suspect but clearly he’s found this an effective line to take when campaigning.
Actually do you know what this interview reminds me of? Anytime Tommy Robinson is interviewed. The same style of shrugging off the question, attacking the interviewer, meandering off on tangents, calling the government “the elites”. It’s the same play book. Frightening.
Just got to the part where he threatens to jail Nick Robinson unless he cooperates. Fucking wild! I can’t believe I’m hearing this.
He doesn’t like that question on why his daughter left XR. He wants to call out journalists but doesn’t want to be scrutinised himself. Again, Tommy Robinson playbook.
Got to the end. That was insane. I’ve been listening to Political Thinking since the beginning and have never heard anything like that.