Australia, or where ever, will export where export it is profitable to do so. The problem is not just the lower meat standard, but the unfairness on British farmers still at a higher standard and unable to operate at the same scale. We need food security so can’t just let British farmers go to the wall.
I have high hopes of cultured meat, precision fermentation and vertical farms. I like to product most/all food outside of nature like this. Controlling input and outputs and return all that farm land to nature to fight climate change. But we aren’t there yet.
Maybe this a Lemmy thing, but your sources come to me as just an image link. There is no context of the article or paper they are from. To source properly, you should do the page link as well or instead of just the graph you want.
Those import charges are a non tariff barrier on food imports, it makes imports more expensive relative to UK produce. It makes things like controlled environment and regenerative agriculture more feasible. Net good. Lexit benefit
Your inews link is from 2022. The UK did not enter a recession, Germany did btw, so the entire premise is invalid.
You are not listening. The ONS revised the GDP numbers, you are living in the past, the facts have changed, change your mind. Or don’t, your choice.
Yer, that “Lexit” (acturally Tory Brexit) has increased our product costs because some parts are from Germany without an equivalent. Trade barrier wasn’t the Brexit sold to many, though, yes was sold to others. All things to all people.
The links was 2022, and yes, things have been revised since then to be less bad. Still not good.
The reason I said to share links was exactly this. You didn’t share the “GDP growth in recent years” graph. Only the ones of the last few quarters. Really we’d want graphs from 2016 pre-result to current day. But a lazy search didn’t find one. Sure I’ve seen one, but can’t find it, so may as well not exist. Point is it accumulates, so the longer you look, the better picture you get.
I’ve never voted for a Conservative. Remain was not Conservative. It was a stupid gamble by Cameron to keep his party together. Instead it broke the country and the party, which is now full of crazies. On the morning of the result, my kids were watching Zootopia, about diversity and inclusion, and it was a gut punch the racist had won. I never thought the country would do this to itself. Since then Conservatives are literary calling themselves NatCs and endless upping the anti immigration popularist nonsense.
Dude is an economist. It’s not a hard science because ultimately, it’s all down to how people react. Looking at what the UK would be like without Brexit is of course fantasy, but you can do best guest based on economic theory. There are very few economist who think Brexit was a good idea.
Austerity was the response to 2008. It was the wrong response and not what our most famous economist, Maynard Keynes, would have recommended. Austerity made 2008 direct effects, worse, but it’s all still 2008.
The gap between Germany and UK went wrong for the UK in 2015. Germany clearly was less messed up by 2008, but the something else went wrong… In 2015, UK $2.93B, Germany $3.36B. Now it’s UK $3.07B and Germany $4.07B.
All these dismal economists are looking at brexit using boomernomics. Climate change demands a clean economy, disruption is necessary. Brexit affected carbon intensive agriculture the most. Being out of the CAP is the brexit benefit. Our entire existence is due to 6 inches of topsoil that has been destroyed by production subsidies, fossil fuel fertilisers, pesticides and herbicides.
And yes, Germany does very well by being in the EU, cheap currency and cheap labour for their manufacturing exports.
The UK, not so much, the single market for services is very weak in comparison to goods. And as the stats show, productivity has not been improved by being in the EU.
Australia, or where ever, will export where export it is profitable to do so. The problem is not just the lower meat standard, but the unfairness on British farmers still at a higher standard and unable to operate at the same scale. We need food security so can’t just let British farmers go to the wall.
I have high hopes of cultured meat, precision fermentation and vertical farms. I like to product most/all food outside of nature like this. Controlling input and outputs and return all that farm land to nature to fight climate change. But we aren’t there yet.
Maybe this a Lemmy thing, but your sources come to me as just an image link. There is no context of the article or paper they are from. To source properly, you should do the page link as well or instead of just the graph you want.
As for my own sources, literally just today’s Brexit import problem news : https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/01/uk-admits-extra-330m-a-year-charges-post-brexit-food-imports
First result of all the factors mentioned: https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-recession-wrong-economy-brexit-pandemic-russia-war-ukraine-1953142
To think Brexit is a success, you can’t be reading / listening to any of the same podcasts or newpapers as me.
Those import charges are a non tariff barrier on food imports, it makes imports more expensive relative to UK produce. It makes things like controlled environment and regenerative agriculture more feasible. Net good. Lexit benefit
Your inews link is from 2022. The UK did not enter a recession, Germany did btw, so the entire premise is invalid.
You are not listening. The ONS revised the GDP numbers, you are living in the past, the facts have changed, change your mind. Or don’t, your choice.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/
Yer, that “Lexit” (acturally Tory Brexit) has increased our product costs because some parts are from Germany without an equivalent. Trade barrier wasn’t the Brexit sold to many, though, yes was sold to others. All things to all people.
The links was 2022, and yes, things have been revised since then to be less bad. Still not good.
The reason I said to share links was exactly this. You didn’t share the “GDP growth in recent years” graph. Only the ones of the last few quarters. Really we’d want graphs from 2016 pre-result to current day. But a lazy search didn’t find one. Sure I’ve seen one, but can’t find it, so may as well not exist. Point is it accumulates, so the longer you look, the better picture you get.
It’s not just me and us Remoaners saying Brexit is bad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_of_Brexit
We’re a laughing stock, only it’s not fun when you live here.
Sigh
2nd in 2016, 2nd in 2022.
No change, no effect.
You don’t accept facts.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=GB-DE-FR-IT-ES&start=2016
And you realise you were the one voting with the Tories, as Dave and George were running, funding and backing the remain campaign yeah? Lol
Better look from 2000, so you can see 2008, which is why Brexit and Trump happened. Economic chaos causes political chaos.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?amp%3Bstart=2016&locations=GB-DE-FR-IT-ES&start=2000
You can see it hit the UK worse in 2008. Question is, would the UK have normalized to where it was relative to others if 2016 hadn’t gone as it did.
People have looked at exactly that. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2023/09/john-springford-britain-remain-eu
I’ve never voted for a Conservative. Remain was not Conservative. It was a stupid gamble by Cameron to keep his party together. Instead it broke the country and the party, which is now full of crazies. On the morning of the result, my kids were watching Zootopia, about diversity and inclusion, and it was a gut punch the racist had won. I never thought the country would do this to itself. Since then Conservatives are literary calling themselves NatCs and endless upping the anti immigration popularist nonsense.
Stop quoting Springford, he’s a fantasist. No one can predict shit.
Austerity did lead to it. As did the neoliberalisation and delusions of ever more political union would somehow fix it.
And your chart shows the exact same thing as I’ve been telling you, UK is and was the 2nd largest economy in Europe. No change.
Dude is an economist. It’s not a hard science because ultimately, it’s all down to how people react. Looking at what the UK would be like without Brexit is of course fantasy, but you can do best guest based on economic theory. There are very few economist who think Brexit was a good idea.
Austerity was the response to 2008. It was the wrong response and not what our most famous economist, Maynard Keynes, would have recommended. Austerity made 2008 direct effects, worse, but it’s all still 2008.
The gap between Germany and UK went wrong for the UK in 2015. Germany clearly was less messed up by 2008, but the something else went wrong… In 2015, UK $2.93B, Germany $3.36B. Now it’s UK $3.07B and Germany $4.07B.
All these dismal economists are looking at brexit using boomernomics. Climate change demands a clean economy, disruption is necessary. Brexit affected carbon intensive agriculture the most. Being out of the CAP is the brexit benefit. Our entire existence is due to 6 inches of topsoil that has been destroyed by production subsidies, fossil fuel fertilisers, pesticides and herbicides.
And yes, Germany does very well by being in the EU, cheap currency and cheap labour for their manufacturing exports.
The UK, not so much, the single market for services is very weak in comparison to goods. And as the stats show, productivity has not been improved by being in the EU.
Yer deregulating fertilisers, pesticides and herbicides is going to be really positive for the top soil. https://inews.co.uk/news/environment/britain-brexit-freedoms-bee-killing-neonicotinoid-2104102
Being in EU was better for our services, especially our massive financial services. Losing passporting alone was bad.