Wasn’t planning on going, but am now seriously considering it. Why is Cruella getting involved.
I don’t know anyone who doesn’t have sympathy for the Israelis that were impacted by the Hamas attack, but 10k Palestinians killed in 30 days is more than all the civilian casualties in the Ukraine war todate.
Wanting an end to Palestinian deaths is not the same as supporting Hamas.
What better way to honour the sacrifices of so many in wars of old by exercising your right and freedom to peaceful protest. Especially one that is a protest against the suffering and killing of innocent lives.
I just don’t understand why the Tories feel they need to wade into this. It’s such bad PR for them if nothing else. What are they gaining?
Playing devils advocate here. Possibly because they seem one sided? As others have said you can support Palestine without supporting Hamas. Are there any placards calling for release of hostages? Calling for both sides to stop shooting?
I notice lots of the banners are prominently advertising Socialist Worker, they like to get in on anything that goes against a sitting government and turn it to their own agenda. They’ve always been there, since the 1970s, at the edges, just nudging things along and stirring up feelings that are already running hot.
I dont think any marches other than those of remembrance are a good idea this weekend.
Then again there’s the saying that any publicity is good publicity. But when it kicks off, as it most likely will, when some muppet throws a firework or whatever at the police, the Home Secretary and all will be crying ‘See, we told you so’ and come up with even more half baked ideas.
That’s fair, I understand that. I don’t mind a one sided protest, even one that I don’t agree with, as long as it’s peaceful.
For example I don’t have a car and rely on the trains to get me to work so when train drivers strike / protest it’s a massive inconvenience to me and on at least two occasions almost cost me my days pay trying to get on site via other means. Their strike / protests are one sided too (also accompanied by Socialist Worker) and I don’t recall them waving placards about fiscal prudence. But they were all peaceful and respectful and they’re well within their rights to protest / march / strike like that. And good for themselves.
Protesting peacefully is a civil liberty that we have enjoyed for hundreds of years and surely something these wars were fought to protect? I find it really disrespectful that the state should now turn around and suggest that you suspend your civil liberties for a day.
As I understand it the march is not scheduled to pass the cenotaph nor is it scheduled at the same time. So why is this a thing?
If they’re not going to be be near cenotaph then fine. But you just know there will be some (on both sides) wanting it to kick off. I wouldn’t mind betting the two scumbags just let back onto the birdsite are getting their tuppence in as well.
And no, the government shouldn’t be making mileage out of this. They will though as it plays right into their agenda.
The way you’ve worded that response provides the reason why Cruella et al. did wade in. Because it’s a hypothetical for you, “oh, if that’s the case…” – it IS the case, but unless you’re part of the protest or following sympathetic sources, you’re simply unlikely to know that. In fact, you’re likely to assume the opposite. You’re likely to presume that this is something that goes right past the cenotaph because that’s exactly how the Tory agitators have framed it. As Tory Baroness Warsi called them: arsonists.
Yeah at least one of them, Tommeh, is actively organising marches as we speak. The rhetoric coming out of (I think, at present) 3 far-right marches is all about “defending the cenotaph” from “terrorism”. Predictable, which is why Cruella and the others are such reprehensible cunts.
They’re going from the rallying point which I believe is over a mile from the cenotaph to UN building which is even further away. Also it’s not happening until 1:45 p.m. which will be after all the happenings anyway.
There’s no “oh well if they do it this way then fine I guess” about it. It is, and never was, about the cenotaph. The only people who ever talked about it was the government, no one from the protest ever mentioned it.