• AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
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    The use of “over stand” in place of “understand” suggests that they may be some kind of Rastafarian sovcit. Are those a phenomenon?

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        Do they inherit specifically Rastafarian linguistic taboos, like swapping positive and negative word fragments where appropriate (so “understand” becomes “overstand” and “oppression” becomes “downpression”)?

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          No idea, I tune them out when they start talking, as I do for the white sovcits.

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    God bless the Unitided States! 😂

    Isn’t the US currency issued by the US government? So they demand money issued by a government that they refuse to accept? So many brain confusion. Or do I not understand their position?

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      It seems to be a favorite phrase of theirs. I assume it has some mystic power in their minds like pretty much everything that they spout. But I probably haven’t taken enough hallucinogens to be able to understand their logic.

      • Good comparison; there is a difference in that EULAs give you a consent button that you have to click; the idea is that, by clicking “I accept these terms,” you accept the terms.

        I believe EULAs have still not been tried in court, but there is a difference between “I sent you something and so now we have a contract” and “I presented the terms and you voluntarily clicked the ‘I accept’ button and so now we have a contract.” The law does recognize “gentleman’s handshake” contracts (they’ve just been hard to prove), and EULAs would fall under that category of contract.

        EULAs are untested, but what SovCit is trying is a gentleman’s handshake where the handshake is some arbitrary behavior that SovCit has defined as being the agreement terms. That’s where this would fall apart; in a verbal agreement, both parties agree not only to the contract, but to what constitutes agreement. One side can’t simply make a binding declaration and define what constitutes acceptance. It’s like saying, “You owe me $100,000. By breathing, you signify that you accept these terms.” In a court, you could reasonably argue that the fact that you agreed, spat in your, and shook on it is by convention a clear sign of acceptance and binding. It’d be impossible to successively argue that I sent you a contract stating that if you crossed the street it constituted acceptance. SovCit is trying the latter.

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          I’m not a lawyer (though I am enrolled in law school, lol) but the entire thing is obviously fraudulent and wouldn’t hold up in court.

          The thing he/they/crown emperor of Mars or whatever cites is Article 1, Section 10 of the United States Constitution:

          No state can ally with another country; make war; make their own money; allow private boats and vessels to catch and arrest enemy ships; or issue their own bills for credit. States must make only silver and gold to pay for things.

          Like that’s cool and all but he isn’t a country, and one person does not a country make –

          But then he cited the 14th amendment:

          No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

          “Ahm, so uh – you’re claiming protection of a United States Citizen, then and recognizing the laws of the United States?” __

          This guy will get the book thrown at him and they’ll be laughing the whole time

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            Presumably they don’t even need to go that far it isn’t a contract. No other party has agreed to it.

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      They get fed this BS in social media. Since they want to believe it, it must be true. Sadly there is about a third of the Country that is really brain damaged by the lead.

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    I don’t see where they identify the vehicle. So any vehicle that is towed falls under this “contract”? So weird

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    I gotta know. Where the fuck did this SovCit bullshit start/come from? I’m in my 40’s now, and i can say until the last 2-3 years, I hadn’t heard of these mouthbreathers

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      It actually dates back to the 1970s, it has roots in white supremacy! The Christian Identity movement pastor William Potter Gale was the creator of the Posse Comitatus, which was a far right anti-government movement who of course believed taxes were a creation of the Jews to exert world dominance. It expanded in the 1980s with the farm crisis and began popping up in various anti-government groups, an Oklahoma City bombing perpetrator claimed to be a sovcit. Throughout the 1990s it began to attract black people from the Moorish Science Temple (which is also trippy to read about), and many of its adherents today are black. Thanks to the internet it has spread into many other countries, and thanks to movements like Qanon it has grown more.

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    The fuck is the 14th amendment doing in this‽

    For non Americans it’s the no slavery except as punishment for crimes amendment