The ebike class 1/2/3 concept is stupid puritan nonsense driven by cyclist jealousy and serves only to limit the usefulness of ebikes as car replacements.
The ebike class 1/2/3 concept is stupid puritan nonsense driven by cyclist jealousy and serves only to limit the usefulness of ebikes as car replacements.
No idea what you talking about, could you give some context pls
Unlike other micromobility vehicles, ebikes are regulated into three classes as shown in the chart. The large majority of ebike models sold are class 1, meaning they have no throttle and the motor will not exceed 20mph. Many cities only permit class 1 ebikes, though this is, as another commenter pointed out, difficult to enforce and rarely enforced.
This is all caused by latent puritanism, specifically a reflexive aversion to things that are new, fun, and cool. Cyclists are jealous of ebikes passing them without apparent effort, while anti-cyclist brainworms types freak out about maniac cyclists going too fast and splitting lanes in their beloved car roads. These two forces which are naturally in opposition come together to hobble ebikes.
As a cylclist…no this is not it at all, and the fact that you think this at all tells me you’re definitely not a biker.
As a cyclist I’m terrified of ebikes flying by me at 20mph wearing zero proective gear without notifying me that they’re flying by me. Or flying at me. Or flying by me on the sidewalk when I’m a pedestrian. Or flying by my door on the sidewalk when I’m literally just trying to get my mail. Or flying through a stop sign at me when I’m walking, biking, or driving. Or any of the other ridiculous things ebikers tend to do at maximum speed with absolutely flagrant disregard for literally anyone’s safety. Getting up to 20mph on a pedal bike requires some serious effort and distance so most people aren’t zipping around on sidewalks or on city streets or on gravel bike trails at 20 mph. E bikers though have one setting and it’s “hit the speed limiter” regardless of their environment or how safe it might be.
Honestly it’s less the bikes that are the problem it’s the people on them. Frequent bikers use body language, signals, words, and sounds to help each other identify where we are and where we’re going in order to keep all of us safe out there. We ding our bells our shout “on your left” when passing. We make eye contact and adjust our speed to pass each other without stopping at intersections. We stay in our lanes and help protect each other from cars when we’re on the roads and on the trails. E Bikers don’t do any of this shit, they just whizz around everyone at top speed without having any respect AT ALL for anyone else on the road. They’re like the BMW drivers of the bike world. It’s a safety hazard for them with regards to their unexpected behaviors and cars, which isn’t really my business I guess. But what is my business is when it’s a safety hazard for me, and that’s what basically every rich asshole on an e bike has become.
I’m not saying ban them or anything like that, banning things is generally dumb, but we absolutely need to do something to deal with the massive safety hazard they’re causing (along with electric scooters) in our already horribly unsafe bike lanes. If classifying them by “level of safety hazard they present” helps us do that then I’m all for it. At the very least I don’t think any motorized vehicle should be allowed in bike lanes or bike trails unless they’re specifically motorized for accessibility rather than for dickhead speed. They should be relegated to the spots where other motorized vehicles are until and unless the people who use them can prove that they can safely exist in spaces reserved for human powered vehicles only.
So basically fuck e bikers, stop putting everyone on a bike in more danger than we already are and maybe we’ll change our mind about you.
Look below to see an example of
BMW driversebikers who have no clue that other people use the infrastructure they’re destroyingI gotta say, E-bikes do sneak up on you with 0 warning, and they really only travel at maximum speed, but I think the easy solution is ban cars and appropriate the roads for e-bikes, leave bike paths for pedal-powered.
Definitely in favor of just ridding the universe of cars and separating smaller lanes out for various better modes of transit. That keeps everyone safer
Fuck off with this divisive bullshit. When I biked in Asia where motorbikes are the norm, no motorcyclist ever gave me any shit for being on a bicycle, and I never had any problems with a motorcycle. The real threats on the road are cars, not other bikers.
I mean that’s great in Asia, I have never biked in Asia. Sounds like they’re fostering a culture where everyone using non-car vehicles learn to share the road, and that’s great. Shame we aren’t doing that here.
I have biked frequently in a number of US cities and the number of times I’ve been run off the bike lane by e bikers being absolute dickheads is ridiculous. I bike many times a week in my major US city and e bikers / e scooters are a goddamn menace. So are cars by the way, no idea why both of you are somehow strawmanning me as if I think cars aren’t dangerous. I am more afraid of being hit by a car than I am an e bike, but I’m more afraid of being hit by an e bike than I am a manual bike. Turns out more than one thing can be dangerous at a time, who knew.
Those ebikers will become literal BMW drivers if ebikes become inconvenient. At least you have mutually assured destruction with the ebikers.
The fact that they don’t require a throttle or engine noise at high speeds is insane though.
motor bikes and scooters are usually not a problem, people have to get a license for them which weeds out the worst offenders, and they’re loud and easy to spot. E-bikes have that electric car problem, where they’ll accelerate completely silently and appear out of nowhere right behind you. just make ebikes require a quick and cheap license/training course and make them have fake engine sounds, ezpz
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I know right? Heaven forbid I care one tiny ounce about my safety and the safety of others on the road. Your PERSONAL FREEDUMB is more important than that isn’t it
All complaints about ebikes serve car dominance.
That literally isn’t true. In fact I would argue the opposite; if less people feel safe taking other modes of transit because of e bikers flying around being dickbags, wouldn’t you agree that drives people towards cars? The safer and easier and more accessible non-car infrastructure is for everyone in all modes of transit the more likely people will choose a non car mode of transit. That’s just common sense. You’re not doing the service to bike infrastructure that you think you are
Cars are the biggest impediment to bicycle adoption by far. Get this through your head. There are no roving gangs of ebikers attacking other cyclists.
The other poster toon the time of day to provide a nuanced and well-grounded input to the discussion, and this is your response? Jfc