Once again, liberals would rather kowtow to fascists than give an inch to the left.
In Macron’s case he had been doing a very clever strategy of defeating the far right by adopting all their policy positions. Very clever stuff, love to see political mastermind at work.
Macronism with coconut characteristicsWhat’s that they say about scratching a liberal?
Scratch behind liberal’s ears and a fascist barks.
Uhhh, you’ll need to do better than a scratch to deal with them?
For fun (to torture myself) I decided to check out what r/neoliberal has to say on this, since they’re the kind who will scream about “democracy” so much.
Unsurprisingly, they’re trying to either downplay this or outright support Macron’s tactics. I even saw one of these dweebs with a NATO flair say: “Never give the left an inch of power.” Lmao. Really dropping all pretense there. 
It’s why we must make no excuses for the terror when it’s our turn, they must be purged
Many crusader kings players are saying this.
it’s amazing how fast the mask falls off with these types.
It’s why I don’t hold my punches very hard. It takes very little scratching to get them to admit that they will abandon “democracy” or permit violence. At least once the mask slips you can have a real conversation
I’ve found in practice it’s incredibly rare, like hen’s teeth and first pressing beetle’s records rare, to find anyone who actually supports democratic rule when it goes against what they think they want. Everyone loves democracy until they have to be part of one.
exactly
Did they even have one to begin with?
Enough to convince a sizable chunk of the population that there was some sort of a democratic process in place.
They’re much more forgiving with the far right. The mask drops fast as hell when it comes to the left
It’s not surprising. The hierachy of support for fascists goes like this:
- Fascists themselves
- Liberals
stability
there’s that word again
There was this guest on
a few years ago who said in an aside “at a certain point the word ‘stability’ should make your skin crawl” and it’s been rattling around in my brain ever sinceNima: Well so it kind of reminds me of on the eve of the Iranian revolution Jimmy Carter called Iran under the Shah like an ‘island of stability’ and its just because we like them and we prop them up and then as soon as that changed now they’re evil and terrifying.
George [Ciccariello-Maher]: Oh, of course. And like there’s a certain point where the word ‘stability’ should make your skin crawl.
Jesus. Black magic pulling that quote up nice Google-fu comrade
it helps that Citations Needed rigorously releases transcripts for every episode
I love those nerds.
Bolting the lid on my pressure cooker to keep it stable
For a safe
and secure…society
Didn’t he insist on the elections because the far right was more popular than him lol
The entire point of the election was to hand the government over to the far-right, and when people voted to do the exact opposite of that… Well here we are.
German 1932 Reichspräsident election, but as farce.
There will be more elections until the correct outcome was chosen
Wolfgang Schäuble, a powerful advocate of austerity policy in Europe, succinctly summarized the extent to which electoral democracy is subordinate: “Elections cannot be allowed to change economic policy.”
from https://redsails.org/why-marxism/
German Minister of Finance Wolfgang Schäuble, advocate of austerity policy in Europe, was less crass yet no less succint in 2015:
Elections cannot be allowed to change economic policy.
- : “You don’t have the balls to do shit about it.”
French public:
I hope so. I hope a spark of rebellion and “fuck you” runs through the public and they retaliate by voting left even harder. A kind of “how dare you challenge us” outcome would be perfect.
I question whether there is enough public with the class conditions necessary though. No matter what happens a certain number of people are entirely locked up into voting for their interests and those interests will be macron. As long as he and the right can lock up 25% each they can fuck the left over forever.
Please do something cool!
A revolution within nato, even a shitty one, would… well it’d be funny at least.
He has invited Le Pen to talk about it, so the neoliberal fash alliance is likely going to happen.
Imagine that, liberals being more willing to cooperate with fascists than even succdems.
Imagine that, liberals being more willing to cooperate with fascists than even succdems.
shocked!
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I find the fact that people have been rioting for years now with nothing to show for it is really illustrative why a vanguard is absolutely necessary to achieve any sort of systemic change. Spontaneous action never actually accomplishes anything in the end.
Repeated spontaneous action tends to create the vanguard. Or at least legitimize one.
Right, eventually people learn from experience and start to reflect on what they’re doing. It’s just depressing that we’ve been through all this already, and people are once again rediscovering what works from scratch.
Yeah, but that’s what happens when we have our history stolen from us. We have to rediscover everything over and over again until we don’t.
indeed
Could just as easily get heated for a bit then fizzle out. I mean look what happened just a year ago with the raising of the retirement age in France and the resulting mass protests.
what did I say dawg, I told youFrance was a mistake.
All Gaul should be divided into three parts.
Get that balkanising freak gunther on it
5, the French Basque and Catalan countries should get independence as well.
Balkanize Andorra
Viva
BretagneBreizh!transalpine Gaul is not as fun as is sounds
Would be a good time for some good ol’ fashioned rioting in the streets.
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There could be no other group of people who deserve it more (well, maybe Israel), but it does make me feel bad for anyone from outside of France that gets caught in this mess.
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They should have some old guillotines just lying around.
neoliberal coup
The fun part is that it is absolutely legal and constitutional to do so. Generally the french president is a de jure dictator and has all legal means to become a de facto one very easily. In that case, the french president is the one who decides alone who is the prime minister. The theory that he had to pick a NFP prime minister is rooted in an unofficial tradition that was upheld by his predecessors but only because they thought it was a smart move to play compromises. Macron doesn’t need any real changes to have full power, he’s simply the first one to actually abuse the full potential of the constitution
A lasting gift from DeGaulle
Idk if Stalin every tried but not shooting DeGaulle was a rar Stalin L.
DeGaulle being rabidly anti-Anglo was his only redeeming quality.
Well DeGaulle was better left alive as a wedge between the allies, Churchill hated him so much he preferred Vichy France.
Did churchill ever meet a fascist he did,kt like, though?
It’s funny how it’s always the liberals who lay the political groundwork for fascists taking power.
The theory that he had to pick a NFP prime minister is rooted in an unofficial tradition that was upheld by his predecessors but only because they thought it was a smart move to play compromises.
And that’s a wrap. Liberals will 100% support.
Exactly, legalism proving to be the root of fascist takeover again
