Vote for the change you want to see.

The Republican party got remade because trumpists showed up and outvoted the party elites. No reason it can’t happen for the Left except for laziness and apathy.

If all the progressives furious about the state of affairs now had shown up for Sanders in 2016, I doubt we’d be in this hellish timeline. Sadly, he needed the young progressive vote to show up.

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    Everything you listed here is putting the cart before the horse.

    Bernie was doing well until the DNC put all of its backing into Clinton and even ran negative ads against Bernie.

    Get money out of elections if you want change. If you’re just looking to bash people to the left, carry on as you are.

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      “Oh no, the bad guys ran ads against us!”

      If we can’t overcome horrific barriers like that, how on Earth do you expect wr achieve anything meaningful? Literally all we had to do was get people to show up and vote.

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        Yeah dude idk if you understand politics at all, so there are people. And those people get informed. Often by ads. And you see, the Clinton campaign was skirting campaign finance law by funneling money through the DNC and then taking that money for her campaign to run attack ads against a primary opponent when that money was promised to states and to whoever won the primary.

        So yes, the person who won broke the law in order to gain the upper hand to win but it’s our fault for not voting harderer. So many of yall DNC worshipers think it’s all the progressives don’t vote, or only vote in the presidential elections, meanwhile they literally turn out way higher than any other block of voters in EVERY election.

        The problem is money. Literally so much money they had to illegally funnel it through the DNC instead of a single campaign to gain that money.

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          So according to your logic then, no one should worry about this logic as Harris has roughly half a billion more than trump?

          https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race

          meanwhile they literally turn out way higher than any other block of voters in EVERY election.

          I’d love to see a source for this. Especially as Clinton won 55% of the primary votes compared to Sanders’ 43%, were the progressives secretly voting for Clinton? Or do those elections not count even though, especially to a progressive, they’d matter more?

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      No, the cart always has to be voters. Actually showing up to the polls has to be the cart. Anything before that is nonsense. Leftist will never ever ever have any power in this nation unless they show the fuck up. A lot of leftists don’t want to show up they just want to sit back and complain.

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          You saw what happened? You saw more votes go to the other candidate? Because that’s what happened.

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            I find myself thinking, “how could trump possibly get elected (again)?” And then I have exchanges like this.

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              Well certainly yeah I agree that’s exactly how he would win. Leftists thinking they should stay home in a snit. Leftist not showing up is exactly how Trump will win I agree. Which is why I would hope you would join me in telling leftist to get off their ass and vote. Instead you’re making the counter argument for some reason.

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                I will never stand by what you are saying here in these comments. Never. By gaslighting the left, you gain nothing and only turn people away for life. Your words are exactly why I will never support the DNC; never own up to their corruption, blame the left, and continue to slide right.

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                  The only person here gaslighting is you. Lying to leftist and telling them that they don’t need to show up to vote is doing nobody’s bidding except the capitalist class. That’s all you’re doing here. I’m sure Papa Putin appreciates your disgust though.