Friendica user: “You say you want the Fediverse to have this feature? The Fediverse has this feature. Mastodon doesn’t, but the Fediverse has. The Fediverse is not only Mastodon. Friendica has it. Friendica has had it since its inception in 2010, over five years before Mastodon was launched. And Friendica has always been part of the Fediverse. And since Mastodon was launched, it has been federated with Friendica. So there.”
god damn why do so many federated services have such awful fucking names that feel disgusting to say
friendica sounds like a strain of bacteria that eats your ligaments
TROCHEES, MOTHER FUCKERS, USE THEM IN YOUR FUCKING BRANDING.
FACEBOOK. YOUTUBE. WHATSAPP. TIKTOK. SNAPCHAT. REDDIT. DISCORD. TUMBLR.
TWITTER before it turned to utter shit partially because its name was changed to “X”.
Hell even LEMMY is a Trochee and I think that’s part of why it’s managed to stand up to reddit this well!
Even the big names that AREN’T trochaic get truncated to trochees! INSTA! PIN-TREST!
They try to truncate Mastodon to Mast-o but people keep thinking THAT’S a reference to a disease too.
fucking hell
I’M MAD BECAUSE I WANT FEDVERSE SHIT TO SUCCEED AND IT’S LEAVING THIS PERFECTLY ACCESSIBLE LOW HANGING FRUIT TO ROT ON THE VINE WHEN IT NEEDS EVERY LAST FUCKING SCRAP OF HELP IT CAN GET
the best time to change it was before it was made.
the second best time is RIGHT. FUCKING. NOW.
and the longer they delay, the more painful it’s going to be getting passed up by BLUESKY.
Maston
Fedverse
FriendicThese kinda suck, tbh. Might need a full rebrand.
Proposal for Mastodon: Trunky.
It’s bouncy and fun sounding with bright percussive phonemes. The “R” also gives it an energetic vibe.
Being a microblogging platform, it can both be a reference of how one truncates one’s messages, but also maintain the mammoth reference as well as sidelong imply the other definitions of ‘trunk’ which are also useful: a box where you keep stuff, and the central pathway from which other pathways branch.
You can keep calling the posts “toots” too.
However, I think “Favorites” should just be called Likes, or hell … updoots if you REALLY want to lean into the mascot.
If so, however, boosting and bookmarking should also be changed to align with the mascot.
Either call them Retoots … or Trumpets! And bookmarking can just be called “Remember” (because “Elephants Never Forget”)
I like that. They need to lean in to it
At least Misskey is a trochee
Good luck going around, putting the proverbial gun against the devs of way over 100 Fediverse projects that are fully independent from another (no, there is no central Fediverse branding department) and forcing them to rename their stuff NOW OR ELSE!!!
A few exceptions that are trochees right now:
- Forte (which may pretty well be the Fediverse of 2030 by this logic)
- Iceshrimp
- Sharkey
- Mitra
- Lemmy
- Mbin
- PieFed
- PeerTube
- Funkwhale
- Owncast
- BookWyrm
Forte sounds AWESOME. Forte: GET LOUD! Love that! :D
Iceshrimp … oof. it ain’t the worst but frozen seafood ain’t exactly inspiring. Also the Sibilance-heavy junction is a little bit grating, might be a little inaccessible to people who have speech disabilities or aren’t used to the anglic lingual mishmashy hodgepodgery.
Sharkey? SHARKEY. HOLY crap. YES. SHARKEY! it’s playful, it’s bright, it’s fun, I don’t even know what it is but I wanna find out so I can USE it!
Mitra. Hmm… Huh. Okay… I could see that working. It strikes me with a cool sophisticated feel. An air of slick precision. Wonder if anyone else gets that vibe.
Lemmy is alright enough, kinda squishy but still fun. The lemming mascot motif is cute, although that tragic false factoid about lemmings all following each other off cliffs injects into the public consciousness an idea that users of lemmy might be victims of groupthink.
Mbin… dull woody sounds, reminds me of that sleep medication Ambien, but also bin like where you toss your garbage. But that doesn’t kill it. Bins are also used for storage of things you want to keep. I could see it surviving with that name.
PieFed, I don’t hate it! I appreciate the snackish pun. That could go places even if it feels a little silly.
PeerTube, its name is strongly descriptive. Could take off. Kinda hope it still could someday. No other notes.
Funkwhale. Heh. It’s just funny. Not terrible.
OwnCast could work out too
BookWyrm - the spelling of Wyrm evocative of DRAGONS covetously gathering knowledge in a treasure trove. That’s DAMN COOL.
Some of these are actually pretty dang good actually!
I don’t think anyone needs to be threatened into rebranding but informing them that a bad name might hold them back is just a statement of fact. None of us ARRANGED for these conditions. If they want to carve an ice sculpture in the middle of a volcano, pointing out to them that the environment is hostile to their project is in no way “threatening them”.
I think Friendica is a good name. And I don’t think it sounds like a bacterial strain that eats ligaments. I think of friendship when I hear it.
it’s the third weed type: sativa, indica, and friendica.
It’s a bad name in terms of marketing. When I read it, I think scheme, knock off, or cheap.
So… Fedi?
actually i think i’ve heard people call it Fedi and I think it’d catch on.
When Friendica was launched in 2010 (yes, it’s way older than both Mastodon and Lemmy, go figure), it was named Mistpark.
Which, to a German like me, sounds like “dung park” or “manure park”. Which, by the way, is the reason why Mike Macgirvin renamed it.
goodness, mistpark kinda sucks even in english
mist park? i mean it could be the right rhythm if you stress MIST but why “mist”?
Mist is … like fog. It obscures. it also sounds like “missed”, which evokes a sense of loss.
Also the ‘stp’ in the middle is a phonetic stumbling block that REALLY hampers its casual pronunciation; in practice you’d end up saying “misspark” and people who hear it in conversation would not hear the ‘T’, go searching for it, and not find it because they have the wrong term.
why the fuck are they so consistently BAD at naming things???
why the fuck are they so consistently BAD at naming things???
Because the guy who developed Mistpark within four months in 2010 in his spare time on a budget of exactly zero didn’t have millions for hired marketing experts to design a name for something that literally had never been done before.
breathe
You’re not wrong; Friendica, Diaspora, Pleroma, they all sound like some kind of bacteria or infection.
tfw my doctor tests me positive for Pleroma Friendica Diaspora 😭💀
bestie
frendo
callme
hangout
goobr
reindeer
sickduck
What is a trochee? I looked it up but I don’t understand
Trochee refers to a specific structure and rhythm found in some words within the English lexicon.
It’s about how many syllables there are, and which syllable(s) are accentuated.
Trochees are two-syllable words where the first syllable is accentuated. The word “English” is itself a trochee. Like the other social media names I mentioned: TWIT-ter, FACE-book, DIS-cord, YOU-tube
They’re generally snappy and fun to say, especially to string together (such as in the XKCD comic I linked)
You can categorize every word in english as fitting some pattern of rhythm for its count of syllables
Mastodon has three syllables with stress (accentuation) on the first. MAST-o-don.
Its metrical categorization is called Dactylic, like these words:
BI-cy-cle, TYP-ic-al, EL-eph-ant, PO-et-ry, MUR-mur-ing, END-less-ly.Dactylic
“fingery”?
Like the three bones of a finger!
Fascinating! Do you know a good place I can learn more about this type of stuff?
I get your point, but this has such “it’s gnu/linux” energy.
Benevolent dictator for life for life?
Yeah, to go with my Detective Comics Comics comic books.
puting in my personal identification number number at the automatic teller machine machine
On another project, my 4-year-old readme update was finally approved this month. Timely.
Let me guess, you had to argue with the maintainers because you tried to submit it without adding tests for a 2 line markdown file update?
Nah, I just forgot about it for 4 years until I got the “accepted” email. And it was 1 line. 1 character, even.
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Dude, the project has 213 open requests and 19,074 handled. 1% of all requests are thus unhandled and people are
complaininglosing their minds about one of those 1%.Calm the fuck down.
While I have no stance on the meme, I’d like to point out that just looking at raw numbers isn’t a sufficient counter argument for multiple reasons:
- Many projects use PRs to merge feature branches from maintainers, while outside PRs are left lying around
- I’ve seen people close their PRs in other projects after sitting around for a long time. How many of those 19,074 were withdrawn?
- The Mastodon repo used to have the stale bot enabled (might still be), e.g. in this random example. How many of those 19,074 were automatically closed?
- They also use the renovate bot. How many of those 19,074 were automatically submitted?
I actually went through and checked how many PRs were automatically submitted, we have:
dependabot-preview: 1,107dependabot: 2,279renovate: 1,126github-actions: 270
There might be more that I’ve missed (e.g.
dependabot-previewisn’t listed as an app in the authors filter), but this adds up to 4,782 PRs, just over a quarter of total PRs. That’s a rather large deviation.Again, not saying that you’re incorrect, but the numbers you mention could also occur in a project that is as bad as the meme describes.
Every major open source project has a couple dozen of these
An option for a mute duration of 1 year is all I ask for.
Isn’t that only one (albeit official) implementation of Mastodon, or have I misunderstood how fediverse apps work completely?
They are talking about the source code. All instances run the same code.
You mean like how there’s one implementation of an email server that all email servers run?
There is not one implementation of email servers. There are specifications like POP3 and IMAP that many implementations adhere to. But Mastodon is referring to an implementation. There is only one, and it’s right here.
There is (currently) only one living version of the Mastodon code base. It could be forked in the future, but it hasn’t been.
There are other ActivityPub microblogging platforms (Friendica, Mbin, Pleroma, Threads if you count it) which users could also be running, and from the point of view of users it shouldn’t be obvious what any other given user you interact with is using, but that’s not got anything to do with Mastodon pull requests.
Thanks. I recall reading the blurb on the Mastodon site about Federation, decentralisation etc, positively encouraging people to fork and make Mastodon compatible servers. Obviously there are many front ends already so I’m amazed if no-one has customised their installation with a fork or made a competing impl in rust or something. Having the code centralised still seems like a flaw in the concept to me - Maybe the next stage of the fediverse is server code that can interoperate with the many different activitypub applications.
I don’t think all email servers run the same back end, but if they do, then yes, it is
@jas0n All instances of Mastodon run the same source code, unless it is one of the many forks, like Hometown. But none of the other fediverse server software out there uses Mastodon code. They are completely different projects with completely different codebases. What they have in common is that they speak ActivityPub.
