Summary

Germany’s intelligence chief, Bruno Kahl, warned that Russia’s hybrid warfare, including cyberattacks and sabotage, could escalate to the point where NATO considers invoking Article 5, its mutual defense clause.

Speaking in Berlin, Kahl noted Russia’s growing military capabilities, including battle-hardened troops and advanced drone warfare, which could pose a direct threat to NATO by the end of the decade.

Russia may aim to test NATO’s unity rather than launch large-scale invasions, raising concerns over potential “red line” provocations designed to undermine the alliance’s credibility.

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    4 hours ago

    If NATO does choose to retaliate, it should take out the troll farms first.

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    6 hours ago

    In order to have battle hardened troops they have to survive combat…

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    13 hours ago

    Russia already has their man in place ready to undermine NATO fatally from within, starting on January 20th.

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    14 hours ago

    That’s the point.

    Russia has aimed to destabilize the US since the cold war.

    I feel like I’m m taking crazy pills. The cold war never ended. We changed battlefields and everyone shut up about it.

    And in the last 20 years we have gotten our balls stomped. Our enormous military is useless if they can turn it against our citizenry.

    How fucking dumb are we?

    https://youtu.be/5gnpCqsXE8g

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      Our enormous military

      They have been totally defeated by a perfect storm of Putin’s shoe-string psyops, Republican control of the media and the “poorly educated”.

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        Destroy the propaganda capability and we fall back to confrontations that the West is capable of winning.

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      It ended. Putin re-engaged.

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      9 hours ago

      America still behaves like it’s in the colonial era. It is the country that has been invading sovereign nations, sabotage and economic warfare. Nobody likes a bully.

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      11 hours ago

      It went to proxy wars after the cold war. There were a whole series of conflicts and interventions where USA and/or Russia were involved, sometimes more, sometimes less. Ukraine is basically the end boss of the proxy wars.

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        Ukraine is basically the end boss of the proxy wars.

        Russia is not a proxy.

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          It’s still not a conflict between NATO and Russia directly, so still a proxy war.

          a proxy war is an armed conflict where at least one of the belligerents is directed or supported by an external third-party power.

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    14 hours ago

    They forgot to say “and this time we mean it”. How is Russia supposed to take NATO seriously if they don’t include that?

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      Eh, everybody does saber rattling from time to time. Most people are happier with harsh words than bombs I suppose.

      Though that’s no comfort to Ukraine, who are already embroiled in war.