• selokichtli@lemmy.ml
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      17 days ago

      I would never tell, but I wonder if people, employees, take the charge instead of the big corpo.

    • ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      Appropriate time for: shoplifting will fuck hundreds of innocent workers out of a job before it kills one corporation.

      Think about who you’re really hurting. If a Walmart location stops being profitable enough, it’ll just close, no sweat off their back. But everyone working there is now out of a job.

      • luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
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        16 days ago

        How would it fuck them out of a job?

        Besides, shoplifting is nowhere near the scale that it would make an entire store unprofitable. And if it was, they’d either raise prices to make it profitable or perhaps lower them to encourage people to buy again instead of stealing out of desperation. They wouldn’t just up and quit a location where there’s still money to be made.

        • ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
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          13 days ago

          How would it fuck them out of a job?

          …the place that employed them ceases to exist?

          Besides, shoplifting is nowhere near the scale that it would make an entire store unprofitable.

          Doesn’t matter. However small or large the negative impact is, it goes down the ladder, not up. The rank and file suffer first and most, always.

          Rationalizing theft because you want to feel like you’re Robin Hood is just that, a rationalization. It’s not the reality.

          • luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
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            12 days ago

            the place that employed them ceases to exist?

            And give up all the profits that are to be made? To clarify, this advocacy isn’t against small, local, Mom’n’Pop type stores, but against large, corporate chains. They have enough economic weight to not simply collapse from it.
            They’d factor the losses (shrinkage) and Loss Prevention cost into the price and raise it accordingly. That would socialise the losses, meaning the rest of the customers would pay extra to compensate those that don’t (while the company execs and shareholders maintain their profits).

            If that drives more people into stealing, they’d need to find some other way to profit, maybe lowering the prices to encourage people to pay instead - better a smaller profit margin than none at all.

            If it actually got so unprofitable that it would have to close, we’d have a case of Tragedy of the Commons where individually beneficial behaviour at a larger scale ends up hurting everyone, including those who initially benefited. This wouldn’t just affect the workers but also the customers.

            Most likely, any community approaching that critical tipping point would recognise it (whether on their own or by official communications of those suppliers) and make an effort to counter-steer, whether by increased law enforcement, by social programs to help people afford stuff and keep the suppliers paid or by supporting local stores that end up cheaper than the big ones. Faced with the threat of paying or not getting anything at all anymore, people that can pay probably would, if only out of self-preservation.

             

            But let’s assume that the Tragedy did play out. Let’s assume a smaller community for unspecified reasons ends up so impoverished that they collectively simply cannot pay for necessary things even at break-even prices. No external stimulation projects are made to relieve them. Large stores close because efforts to compensate losses have failed. Supply of necessities dries up.

            Those that have wealth from outside the community’s own economy may be able to afford going elsewhere for their things. The rest (both the initially unemployed and local businesses depending on their custom) would either migrate to some place they can find work or starve. The wider economy that depended on economic activity or labour from that community would suffer too.

            That would be a catastrophe, both socially and economically. It wouldn’t be the fault of shoplifters alone, but also of the entire machine and every exec that let it get to the point where all the labour and profit to be gained from that community dies out. If you have some production in that area, the cost of living rises because the stores raise prices, and you refuse to pay your employees more to the point they can’t afford to stay there working for you, you’re just as fucked as the people.

            What could be done to prevent that? The community as a whole could form a bargaining entity, forcing those that want to profit from them to the negotiating table for acceptable terms. It could attempt to establish its own local supply. It could also resort to violent action against other communities that left it to its fate.

            A smaller could melt away into other communities around, like you sometimes see with rural communities where younger people opt to move closer to cities if employment prospects at home are miserable. A larger community might see economic fugitives seeking better opportunities elsewhere.

            Most likely, they’d be forced into some agreement, even if it might be an exploitative one, whether by necessity or by force. The balance here would be dictated by the relative size and power of the parties involved. If the community in question can exert enough economic power.

             

            All in all, it’s unlikely to ever get to that scale, because too many people have stakes in preventing that. If it did, it wouldn’t be the fault of shoplifters alone, but of collective social and economical mismanagement.

            Rationalizing theft because you want to feel like you’re Robin Hood is just that, a rationalization. It’s not the reality.

            I’m not trying to feel like Robin Hood. That would require me to engage in coordinated heists with the intent to distribute the stolen goods at the expense of the parasites that sought to squeeze our misery for their profit.

            My intent is, quite honestly, to foster awareness of and disdain for the greed of profiteers. They’re in the minority, they need us to do the actual work and buy stuff from them, and the only reason they can exploit us is because we tacitly let them. That is the reality.

            Collective disobedience could force both the employers and the stores to the negotiating table. The critical factor here would be the size of the disobedient group: the more people are on board with forcing change, the more change can be forced. Hence, if I want things to improve, it’s in my rational interest to convince people to join my efforts (and really, the efforts of various other flavours of leftist all align in that respect).

            There is no emotional desire to self-aggrandise here, no “want to feel like”. There is simply an acknowledgement of reality and a wish to change it for what I consider to be the better.

  • dunidane@lemmy.sdf.org
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    18 days ago

    Plus you never notice people shoplifting. We dont know people’s situation but we dam well know corperations can fuck off.

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      The last few times I shoplifted it was by accident. The last being that I had to get a new ID from the DMV, they gave me a paper copy, and said they would mail me a normal ID. 30 days later it has still not arrived and grocery stores started to say they don’t accept the paper copy after 30 days. Went back to the DMV and they said it would take up to 90 days. I asked if I could get a picture ID until it arrives, to which they told me that would downgrade my license and therefore I wouldn’t be able to legally drive then.

      Anyways, I wound up checking out at Kroger, putting items on the conveyor, and they asked for my ID, I gave them my paper copy and they called a manager and blah blah blah all because there was wine in the order. The manager told the cashier it was acceptable so long as it was within 30 days, thankfully neither of them knew the date as it was 34 days after the issue date, they accepted it and I put the bags in my cart and went on my way. When I got to the car I realized several items in my cart were not in grocery bags, I never took them out of the cart when I got distracted by the ID bologna. So none of those items got paid for.

      My favorite part about it is someone has to acknowledge that someone was of age 4 days prior to purchase alcohol… So what black magic would I be performing to go from 35 4 days ago to under 21 then. If it could have been forged now, I could have forged it then.

      Note the DMV stated if they printed a new copy it would change the issue dates and therefore start the 90 day wait over again. Fucking mess

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      The only shoplifting I see is the shops lifting their prices.

      more laconic, more punny

      EDIT :

      The only shoplifting I see is the shops lifting their prices arbitrarily

      variant keeping arbitrarily

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    18 days ago

    The BBC editorial team showing a woman stealing a bottle of wine, rather than, like, food or something

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      18 days ago

      One time I saw an obvious homeless man grab a pizza slice. He ate it in the aisle I was in, locking eyes with me. I was kind of looking through him, because he was standing where I needed to grab the item I wanted.

      And as I got closer, he said, “I’ll pay for it.” And I had to explain, “Bro I’m just trying to get some soup I don’t know what you’re talking about.”

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    18 days ago

    These fucks think I’d tell them even if I did 😂. I didn’t even snitch on shoplifters when they were stealing from the place I worked, you do you and I’ll do me.

    • kamenLady.@lemmy.world
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      18 days ago

      I did the same.

      I didn’t snitch on shoplifters at work and i shoplifted myself long before that.

      The funny thing was, i saw another person noticing the shoplifting - they saw me too. We just nodded and went our ways.

      These shoplifters had a double endorsement on that day.

  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    Notice they used an image of wine, not a more basic foodstuff. That’s called Manufacturing Consent.

  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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    17 days ago

    Why are the pyramids in Egypt?

    Because they’re too large to fit in the British Museum.

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    17 days ago

    It always is amusing when British people accuse Roma of being thieves when they can’t even have the English language without stealing widely from others.

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      17 days ago

      Stealing words can only be as bad as piracy, the original owners are not deprived of what they owned.