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    “we have no choice but to follow Reddits guidelines”

    There’s another choice, but that would require you to look past reddit.

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            You can for past crimes, not future crimes.

            The whole statement: https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyworld

            About the manifesto

            If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.

            https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763

            On the other hand, there is !AskUSA@discuss.online that got created recently. This thread can interest you, it talks about jury nullification: https://lemmy.world/post/22973877

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                To determine whether or not an accused individual is guilty there are two primary options in the USA. A trial before a judge who makes the decision, or a trial by a “jury of your peers” where the whole jury must agree that the individual is guilty. A jury of one’s peers means that the people selected to hear the case are selected from the general populace and have no substantial connection to the accused. For example, you wouldn’t put the person’s mother on the jury. The jurors are not required to be lawyers or experts in any field. Just average people.

                If you just wanted some people to take the facts of the case and the facts of the law and determine whether or not the accused was guilty, then you would want experts and lawyers on the jury. That’s how trials used to be hundreds of years ago. A judge, often appointed by a king, would pass sentence over the peons brought before him. Since our legal system has average everyday people as jurors, clearly they are supposed to do more than that.

                This is where jury nullification comes in. The jurors not only judge based on the facts of the case, but also on whether or not the law in question is just. If an individual is accused of a crime, and is clearly in violation of the law, the juror can still find them not guilty if the law in question is unjust. In essence, the jurors nullify the law by refusing to convict. For example, during the prohibition era, it was not unheard of for juries to return not guilty verdicts for people accused of selling or transporting alcohol. The jurors thought the laws was were wrong so they refused to convict. A much more tragic example was in the deep south where jurors would sometime refuse to convict people of lynching black people.

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            !lemmyworld

            We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.

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          Not true - we’re just not allowed to discuss jury nullification in the context of encouraging someone to commit a violent felony which includes the promise of absolution through jury nullification.

          Or something, idk. It was kinda weird.

          Jury nullification as two English words that can be spoken one after the other, however, is perfectly allowable.

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      Not that the mods are aware, but if Reddit disappeared tomorrow, I (sadly) suspect most users would go to Twitter or various Discords.

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      They even have to leave, they just have to ignore the admins and become ungovernable.

      But they won’t, because they’re cowards.

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      You plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds. I hate the fact that Reddit has grown since I bailed over for API changes. It hurts my soul knowing I did the right thing and bailed but the vast majority of people who were pissed off at Reddit ended up back on the platform.

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    we have no choice

    You are working for free moderating an obviously heavily censored shithole. You have several choices, starting with deleting your account.

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      Reddit has come forth saying they will not tolerate mods that try to destroy communities like it happened before. If a mod deleted their account, someone else will take their place. If a mod deleted a popular subreddit, Reddit will restore it and ban the mod. Deleting their account does literally nothing.

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        Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.

        Which I know will never happen, but that’s what it’ll take.

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          Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.

          The thing any sub with big following has mods that don’t mod for free.

          The narrative steering is not a free service.

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        Deleting their account does literally nothing.

        bullshit excuse. Deleting their account removes them from the equation, makes a statement that they are not enablers of the corporate shithole.

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          Eh. Sure. But ultimately makes no difference in the matter. You can’t make a statement when you’re literally irrelevant.

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            Speak for yourself. Speaking up against what one perceives as wrong and distancing themselves from it is absolutely relevant. Using your logic, you might as well “not vote” because “1 vote out of millions is kind of irrelevant”.

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      Deleting their account doesn’t change the rules, only the person enforcing them.

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        Communities become ghosttown shitholes when the moderators work against good faith discourse.

        Not the same day new shill mods are installed, but within a few months. It poisons everything.

        Banning the creators/mods of a sub is banning the people that care most about that sub, and tends to lead to installing mods that are just looking to flex power, which makes the posts and discourse toothless, repetitive, and uninsightful, which makes regulars look for a new home, if they themselves are not banned for failing to regurgitate the only correct opinions as endorsed by the new mods tasked with bringing order.

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        I’m seeing a pretty obvious parallel to Luigi’s actions in your statement. I don’t think it’s as straightforward as you’re making it out to be

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    There is no reason for removing content like this unless an individual is specifically inciting violence, calling for murder, etc. just like always has been the case. Ridiculous policy and frankly worthy of locking down Reddit again.

    Fuck Reddit. Glad I left that shit hole.

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      Honestly I kinda wonder if he’s afraid for his own life. He had a lot of people calling for his head last year, and this kind of overreaction seems pretty in line with somebody who is just beside themselves with terror.

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        Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…

        As if people complaining and stopping using your platform was already grounds to think your life was over. He’s absolutely paranoid and this likely is just straight up eating him inside since this was more real.

        This is absolutely his response and thinking that it does anything to protect himself to protect his caste.

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          I forgot about that! “Everyone loves us, but maybe for your safety don’t tell anyone you work here.”

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          Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…

          I’m sure he thought to himself “I’m getting so much negative feedback and hostile attention that everyone else must be experiencing the same thing… right?”

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          I hope he pulls an Oedipus Rex and tries so hard to avoid killing his dad and fucking his mom that he accidentally kills his dad and fucks his mom.

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        And this is the guy who said he’d be in charge and possibly owning slaves after society collapses. What an absolute clown! LMAO!

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        If we just send all the offensive words into the memory hole then people will stop thinking bad thoughts about groups of people. We can erase it right out of history and everything will be better. Control the language, control the thoughts. Thanks Ministry of Truth! 🥸

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          Uhh…so you know language is like, a social construct, right? As people have come to realize, “spaz” was originally used to describe people with “spastic” movements from conditions like spastic paralysis or cerebral palsy, it’s fallen out of favour.

          That’s all. No one is trying to control you or suppress your language. It’s just not a great word, and the language you choose reflects on your perceived character by others.

          That said, I’m not here trying to police your speech, speak as you will.

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          Bruh what. I’m not trying to control anything. Just offering an objective fact that you can use how you see fit.

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    It should’ve been obvious by now whose side Reddit is on, but not allowing neutral reporting on Luigi’s own words is a bit too establishment even for them

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    Can’t believe the corporately owned, corruptly managed, and heavily advertisement-based website would have so many rules against talking about bad things happening to rich people. That shit’s crazy. Who would have guessed?

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      They let it run for a full week though… the crack down started yesterday today in lock step with the heavy fake news push.

      The ruling class let us have our fun, now comes the dick.

      This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.

      Don’t let up now…

      Single payer or bust

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        The ruling class let us have our fun

        Can’t help but suspect everyone was hiding under their desks until the culprit was apprehended.

        This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.

        Its certainly hit a nerve. But if you’re talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.

        Single payer or bust

        Can’t stop, won’t stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.

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          But if you’re talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.

          You are correct but not grass roots

          Can’t stop, won’t stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.

          Can I get an, amen?!

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          Luigi isn’t the culprit. The cops planted that evidence on him. They won’t let him talk to the press because he didn’t do it.

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        Yeah I wasn’t aware of the ol platform enshitification pattern. Hardly anyone was - probably the creators and administors of reddit weren’t entirely aware either.

        We were just a bunch of folks on the net trying things.

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          platform enshittification

          It was called Eternal September back from Usenet days when the Internet was mainly an academic thing and every September old users braced for an influx of freshmen starting new academic year and getting access to newsgroups. I was aware shit was reddit’s final form even back in 2006. I’m actually surprised the shareholders left it unmolested for so long.

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            When the students came in and got on Usenet, that was just regular September. Eternal September when AOL or CompuServe, or one of those added Usenet. It was like the kids never had to leave at the end of the academic year.

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            That wasn’t enshittification, just an influx of inexperienced users. Once the corporations got involved, that’s when enshittification truly began.

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    Ah yes, corpo platform suckling at the toes of insurance giants. Big surprise.

    “But they are right! Murder is bad.”

    Fucking duh, but the transgressions of the US insurance industry transcends all that, because they are laughing at dying people all the time - laughing all the way to the bank!

    Like there are so many documentaries about the evils of these bastards. One dead exec later and suddenly morals and ethics apply? Gtfo here.

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      The french revolution was bloody. Today the whole world celebrates July 14th, the day a cheering crowd walked the head of the governor of Bastille on a pike.

      Go figure.

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        Something I’ve been thinking about recently is how it seems that MOST national anthems celebrate a bloody war in some way, shape, or form, because that’s pretty much what it always takes to escape from oppressors, is violent fighting back

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      There isn’t always a disco option in life. Sometimes conflict is inherent and pacifism is just quiet complicity.

      Oh, I almost forgot… For legal purposes I’m discussing Minecraft.

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        I hope that all these greedy gold-spewing swines get to die miserably one day

        Maybe I’m being extreme, but that’s my take on nether piglins.

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      When somebody dies from an insurance company, it’s sad, but it’s the system working at usual. US society at large has decided that’s acceptable. Even if you’re opposed to it, it isn’t a transgression of norms. Assassination is.

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        Does that mean you never see the riots with burning cars that seem to happen there every few years?

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        It also refers to a more subversive methodology of the powers at be to suppress information that they don’t agree with and deem harmful to the status quo, i.e. Luigi’s manifesto. It’s a multi layered statement that really is applicable to situations.

        The thing it’s referring to in this instance is the fact that Reddit is not allowing freedom of speech under the guise of whatever reason it says it has and having that decision protected because it is a private company worried about its own interests.

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    The fact that so many social media sites have to restrict this sort of thing just goes to show what most people think about this situation. So satisfying to watch.

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          well damn, did not realize that dead ceos and insurance company owners are now equivalent of “sick kids” within the US power structure.

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          Hold on, let’s test that hypothesis

          Those kids with blood cancer deserved it!

          Now let’s see how many downvotes this comment gets. If it gets heavily downvoted, then all hail our leukemic overlords.

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      This absolutely the right lesson to learn here. Who cares if you can’t discuss it (not literally)? We already know the American people agree. We now need to take the next step to unify the working class and organize so we can coordinate our efforts and exercise actual political power

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    huh

    who would have thought that the front page of the internet could also be one of its many giant prolapsed flapping assholes ?

    not just regrading to this specific issue though

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      If this isn’t the spark, considering the momentum it has, nothing will ever “get French” for them.

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        For a supposedly gun infested and ultra violent country, there is an eerie calm lasting for decades.

        Most probably this was a one time thing?

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          I feel it’s more like ‘nothing ever happens until it does’ statement that I read about. Basically there is a lot of build up that seems like nothing is happening. Then it reaches critical mass and things change. Think the US civil war. The US wasn’t going to free slaves. There was more uprisings and events, like John Brown and Nat Turner, and nothing was going to change. Until it did.

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        The majority of people have been voting for pure privatization of healthcare, any “uprising” in the shithole USA over this would be minor.

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      The beauty of the civil rights movement was that on the one side you had the peaceful protests, the disobedience pointing at the other side where activists wanting the same thing and more weren’t so peaceful. The peaceful protesters were the compromise. The alternative was a black revolution, the black panthers, Malcom X etc.

      Even those who don’t want a full French Revolution right now should at least push for peaceful protest. We need this “or else” approach. We shouldn’t let it go to waste.

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      You know that one ended with the reign of terror followed by the crowining of a monarch that then embroiled the entire European continent in war, right?

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        You know it ended millenniums of monarchy and bought in democracy?

        Some people are willing to make risks to see change and improvements. The others are called conservatives.

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          I think it was a good thing in the long run, I’d just like people to temper their bloodlust a bit, lest we fail to learn any lessons from the past. It’s easy to let righteous indignation morph into something distinct but just as shitty as the thing it replaced.

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        You replied to an accelerationist. Don’t threaten them with a good time. lol …or try to teach them; they’re likely a reactionary, too