I am now imagining that the trial starts… The jury walks in… Each and every one in that same sweater…
I bet the entire court will start sweating bullets 😂
I am legitimately shocked they’re gonna let him go to court. The risk of jury nullification is too high, and people are ready to give him romantic power. If he ended up dead in his cell from a toilet paper noose, that would be a warning to the plebes to get back in line.
You mean when that happens. It’s only a matter of time, unfortunately.
that would be a warning to the plebes to
get back in line.bloody their guillotines.FTFY. He won’t get so much as a hangnail awaiting trial.
What? You’re shocked they gave him due process? What was the other option?
Oh I see, are you saying they should have killed him in jail or something?
Are you saying that won’t happen mysteriously in a few years time?
There is no way in hell it gets nullified
No. But there’s a non-zero chance greater than OJ Simpson had.
“They are literally treating him like he is some sort of political fodder, like some sort of spectacle,” Agnifilo said. “He was on display for everyone to see in the biggest stage perp walk I’ve ever seen in my career, it was absolutely unnecessary. He’s been cooperative with law enforcement… There was no reason for the NYPD and everybody to have these big assault rifles.”
“It was perfectly choreographed, and what was the New York City Mayor doing at this press conference, your honor? That just made it utterly political,” she continued.
His lawyer seems to not be afraid to pull any punches, I like her.
She’s far from unknown. She was high up in NYC for a while second to the ag. You can find videos of her on the midas touch network on YouTube.
Capitalism working as intended.
Intended is the next part where they roll out a premium line called LM
Then the scam cryptocurrency hits, what am I saying? that’s probably already happened.
Eh, this is not on the stores selling that sweater, it’s on the people buying it…
They def-def shoulda swiped 'em.
Jesus christ guys, does it get more vapid than consumerism as revolt?
People are conditioned to their environment. It’s like the far right assholes who hate the system but don’t understand that the real enemy is the rich and instead think we need to attack government. Yes, that’s bad too, but class warfare is the real answer while they suck off Musk for his “epic posts.”
I’m relieved that some amount of awareness is blooming. We can hope that it continues to develop.
The rich programmed you to accuse the far right like that.
No, the rich programmed their masses to blame everything on whatever left-wing party leader is in charge. That’s what Fox News and the rest of the Murdoch empire is for.
They need their 8 hours of hate to blame Emmanuel Goldstein for all of the world’s problems.
Don’t talk about that though you need to keep alienating them at every turn and never make any attempt to be the better person and gently educate people and stand tall on that hill you’re gonna die on so a rich guy can point at your blue hair from their third yacht.
that’s a good point.
It took 300h therapy to
curecontrol my personality disorder and a significant portion of it was Dialectal Behavior Therapy. It turns out when they say that a common symptom of personality disorders is an abnormal morality they don’t necessarily mean bad or none. It can actually often be too much or more importantly too rigid. So a big part of DBT is actually to just completely let go of right and wrong and do what will work, practically speaking, to allow the most good to happen. Perfect is the enemy of good and a LOT of leftists are gonna die on their hills waiting for backup from that moral high ground that is just not coming. Meanwhile I’m hoping the incels notice how much pussy is lining up for Luigi.
No, I watch police bodycam videos on YT. They’re largely from states like Minnesota, Florida, etc. Largely rural. Largely small towns.
A Trump-supporting domestic abuser in one of them yesterday was who I had in mind when I commented. They have inaccurate world views, hence why they cling to their dogma. This is due to their news media distorting reality.
You’re not going to fight for class warfare if you enable a ruling class to exist above us as “government”.
Rejection of the state is the first step to liberation, once the rich no longer have the system that perpetuates their wealth acquisition and physically defends them, they won’t last long.
Getting rid of any concept of a state is what allows corporations to fill the gap. It’s corporate feudalism. The only thing that can push back against a collective entity is another collective entity.
And a strong regulation state would just be corporate captured like it is today.
Not necessarily.
No, it allows people to fill in the gap.
No one wants authoritarians telling us how to live our lives. People are the priority, not consolidating power into the hands of a few individual rulers.
You ask for anarchy without realizing that anarchy is what the rich fucks like elon really dream of. A world without governments where their exclusion from any obligations to society and legal responsibility can be institutionalized.
And then we have true, official neofeudalism.
Muskrat is at best an anarchocapitalist, which isn’t real anarchism because it doesn’t reject hierarchy.
Really, he’s a what’s best for me fuck everyone else ideology but with white supremacist flavoring. Pick your label for it, but anarchist is not it.
Not saying he is an anarchist, just that he wants anarchism. So he can become the new state.
Anarchy is communism and he is arguing like a communist
You are right about why it doesn’t work, someone will just fill the gap
Anarchy is not communism.
Anarchy is a system that doesn’t have an overarching hierarchical governmental system. Anarchy is bottom-up rather than top-down social management.
Communism can spring from anarchy, but is not a necessary component nor a necessary outcome.
Libertarians are anarchists, but on the right. Suggest communism to a libertarian and see where it gets you.
Some but not all anarchy is communism.
This does not end up how you think it does. Not allowing for unchecked corporate power doesn’t mean consolidation of government power into the hands of a few.
Our system is broken because we allow corporations to go around the people and buy influence directly from politicians. Not all systems have to do that.
But Removing the people that corporations are currently buying influence from doesn’t mean they do being bad. It just means they have even fewer obstacles to doing what they want than they do now.
I think there might be a word for that
Rejection of the state is the first step to liberation, once the rich no longer have the system that perpetuates their wealth acquisition and physically defends them, they won’t last long.
Fuck yeah a fellow anarchist 👊🏻
I agree with what you’re saying regarding consumerism, BUT…
I think it’s way more important that people are showing support for Luigi. The elites can see this shit. If this is all we’ve got, I’ll definitely take it. Just something to think about.
Imagine being a CEO of a company and 5000 employees all show up wearing the same sweater. The odds are not in your favor, Chiefs.
I imagine the CEO of Nordstrom is feeling rather conflicted right now.
It’s actually interesting.
If anything that Luigi touches basically becomes gold it’s going to lead to some very interesting behavior from people who want to capitalize on it, but if they do it’ll betray the narrative that’s being pushed. Which company is gonna be shamelessly greedy enough to break the line?
And if they do how will the government and other companies react? At the very least there’s conflicting interests happening. I’m very curious about how it’ll play out.
Capitalism can commodify anything, even criticism of itself.
Che Guevara shirts enter the chat
You hear of rainbow capitalism? Meet Luigi capitalism in a couple months/years.
I get the feeling this one could play out differently.
If you look at the news outlets you’ll notice something. Depending on who their target demographic is depends on what kind of boogeyman he gets painted as.
for example democrat catering articles saying his white male privilege is why everyone loves him(it’s not) and trying to turn feminists on him by using those buzzwords.
Fox news is trying to paint him as a sad, whiney snowflake who was mad about back pain and getting kicked off his parents insurance at 26.
Some random ones who’s target demographic i couldn’t indentify calling people who support him “sick fans.” It’s clear they ALL want us to hate him, and anyone who supports him is insert artifically created culture war problem here
Do you think they’re succeeding? The overall negative impression I get is the “we get it but murder is wrong” opinion. I haven’t heard any culture war bullshit in either direction about it but tbf im not on social media.
I don’t hate him, but I can see his privilege. Of course some self-entitled white rich guy is going to flip out and kill somebody when life fucks him over. That’s the least surprising thing about this.
People are really missing the forest for the trees here. This isn’t about him. It’s about the health insurance industry and the people’s rage towards it. That’s so much larger and more important than a single man’s act of violence.
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I don’t think it’s consumerism so much as a bit of fanaticism, and also something of a uniform.
I express my dissent with character socks. Today I am wearing spongebob with great irony.
This is a disaster for the CEOs. Homeboy is going to get ended if the jury finds him not guilty.
Find him not guilty, the world celebrates the jury that spared Luigi and he goes onto become a hero.
Find him guilty, the world shames the judge that killed Luigi and he goes onto become a martyr.
There’s no winning for the corporate elite here
unfortunately there always is, and it’s almost always the same. wait for it to die down.
Time, bread, and circuses. But, we may soon run low on bread.
The darker part of my psyche is a little giddy at the idea of CEOs shitting their boots cause there’s a man on the loose in the world who is willing and able to murder them and that no one will ever convict him.
The civil suits will destroy him even if he’s found not guilty. He doesn’t win either way either.
Oh I could easily see him winning the Criminal Case and losing a Civil.
They’d probably not even care during the Civil Case if he killed Brian or not, they’d just talk about how “Because the news cycle about Louie G over here we lost stonks.”
I’m with him either way.
Do you think there’s a world where his pleading innocent, and his attorneys’ arguments that someone else did it will affect his status as a folk hero? It seems like a fine line for him to tow, for him to minimize his sentence, but not negatively impact the message, and his status in bearing it.
I want to see him do it, but that seems like the challenge of his position.
Toe*
You toe a line, you don’t tow it.
Huh, I did not realize that was the standard usage. TIL.
At this point, the idea of Luigi is more important than the man. And it doesn’t hurt that the media’s been fucking up and forgetting to call him an ALLEGED killer.
So he’d be the reverse of OJ, in that he’d be found innocent of a crime he didn’t commit, but beloved by everyone as most believe he did to it. (Whereas with OJ being found innocent of a crime he DID commit made him hated because everyone believe he did, infact, do that shit)
OJ is a lot different. He was a famous celebrity sports figure. He killed or didn’t kill his wife. The public only cared about OJ because of his celebrity status, and because the woman was white, and he is black.
I don’t think it’s a very good comparison.
He definitely did that shit.
I really can’t see a scenario where the jury don’t find him guilty. They really don’t have a choice, they have to uphold the law as it is written. It is not within the remit of a trial to make new law.
No matter the ethical considerations he did kill someone. The law is very clear that murder is not acceptable even if you personally think it’s justifiable.
They really don’t have a choice, they have to uphold the law as it is written.
They do, indeed. However, the “written law” includes the sixth amendment to the constitution, guaranteeing the accused the right to a jury of their peers. Peers. The purpose of that right is to ensure that We The People are the ones determining if a person should be punished for a particular action. Not a government agent, or legal professional.
The flip side of the 6th amendment guarantee to the accused is that the juror owes that duty to the accused, and the juror is constitutionally empowered to reach a decision.
Constitutional powers supersede legislated law. The juror is not beholden to legislated law. Indeed, if they feel that strictly applying a lower law results in an injustice, they have a constitutionally-imposed duty to reject the short-sighted legislated law.
Right so what part of that would allow them to justify murder?
That question is nonsensical: 1. The jury never has to justify anything; 2. “Murder” is a legislated concept. The jury is not beholden to the legislature, and is constitutionally empowered to reject the laws they create. They do have to follow the law, but the law includes the constitution that demands and empowers them to make their decision as laypersons.
Where the jury feels that enforcing the legislated law would be an injustice, they are free to rule “not guilty”, even if they believe the accused’s actions violate that law.
To more directly answer your question, though: If the jury felt that the healthcare extortion industry was completely out of control and a clear and present danger to society in general, they could determine that the legislated prohibition against killing did not contemplate this particular killing. They could determine that the accused does not deserve to be convicted just because the legislature was shortsighted in the way they wrote the law. I’m not saying the law is actually shortsighted, nor am I saying that the jury should nullify. I’m saying that they could “uphold the law as written” and elect to acquit him under the authority conveyed to them, in the “written law” of the 6th amendment.
You don’t know what Jury Nullification is do you?
It never happens. Least of all for a murder case.
There is precedent.
Something similar happened for a man who killed a Christian Science practitioner for forbidding him from taking his son to the doctor despite getting medical care himself.
This had been done after he tried to have said practitioner charged with negligent homicide and voluntary manslaughter charges over what became of the kid. The Justice System let him walk because of religious exemption, the father took revenge himself and the Jury decided that the man was merely correcting an error made by the Judge of that case.
Disclaimer: Christian Science is neither science nor Christian. It was basically a clickbait name given to a Quantum Mysticism cult that existed before Quantum Physics was really a thing. Please do not “Skydaddy” it up like a common redditor in response.
Does this count as murder? https://www.history.com/news/the-original-wild-west-showdown-bill-hickok-davis-tutt
He got arrested after killing someone and the jury found him not guilty with a lot of witnesses seeing the act.
I don’t think something that happened in the 1800s is particularly applicable to the 21st century.
I don’t think it will happen, and especially not for something this high profile, but Jury Nullification is essentially the “he did it, but we don’t see his actions as punishable”. It’d be a huge uproar if that happened too.
How do people even find out this stuff? Is there a reddit post saying I FOUND HIS SWEATER or something? Same with the backpack.
Even here there were people that were talking about the exact backpacks details. If you own the same thing you’ll recognize it.
People were talking about the backpack a lot on the onebag subreddit.
Then CEO managed to destroy his company’s reputation by personally calling the tip line and offering to link the serial number to the person who ordered it.
Then CEO managed to destroy his company’s reputation by personally calling the tip line
How did people find out he did that did he publicly announce it? If you did that’s one dumb CEO
He made a statment to the new york times about it https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/05/nyregion/peak-design-backpack-brian-thompson-shooting.html
Yeah. That backpack kinda sucks.
Here I am wondering how people afford to shop at Nordstrom while also being annoyed by the consumerism bullshit that is a blight on us all.
We don’t have to solve every problem at all times. We are certainly allowed to narrow our focus here, from “everything that has ever sucked” to “enact universal healthcare now”.
Let’s keep our eyes on that ball.
I have one thing from there.
A company branded sweatshirt.
When I got hired they sent me the catalogue and said “pick something”, and I went “surely not, no, this is far too expensive for the one time I’ll wear it…” and they said “you need something for twice yearly meetings with the ceo, so just pick something… ok?”
And so I got the absolute loudest (that I liked) multicolored zip front hoodie I could find and those bitches paid to have that shit embroidered with a logo nobody cares about or recognizes, and now I have a ridiculous sweatshirt that’s much higher quality than it deserves to be but cost THREE HUNDRED FUCKING FREEDOM DOLLARS, and thus occasionally gets worn even tho I don’t work there anymore.
I felt the same way about having to buy a suit for my sister’s wedding. The bridesmaids will be able to wear those dresses again they’re nice dresses and they don’t obviously scream wedding, but when am I going to wear the suit again?
Wait, what? Usually the complaint is the other way around. A suit can be worn time and time again, in all kinds of occasions.
Just curious, how does your suit scream wedding?
I’ve used the suit I bought for my wedding countless times, just ditched the embroidered vest.
Holy shit. I can’t imagine being this upset to receive something for free. You must be fun at parties.
Just because you don’t have to pay for something yourself doesn’t mean it’s not a waste of money.
Yeah I wish I thought this hard about anything neverless a free quality shirt lol
Certainly doesn’t seem apathetic…
Are you saying that only poor people hate consumerism? Rejecting consumerism is an indirect way to gain wealth though frugality.
Nope. I agree with you.
They’re in debt.
Homes, medical treatment, and financial stability are all a lot more expensive than bougie consumer products.
And while the average american can usually figure out how evil the oligarchy is, thinking through solutions and actions is a much bigger ask for the average american.
I mean tbf this isn’t directly about consumerism it’s about the evil practices of healthcare insurance companies. I’m not sure you’d get nearly as many people agreeing that consumerism is bad.
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because he couldnt get any more opiates prescribed?
edit: how come every comment you’ve ever made over the past more-than-a-year have been deleted?
It was over a refusal to fix his back, not give him pills.
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Oh I thought you were aware of some fact that I had not heard about but you were just talking out of your ass??
I think that’s a really despicable thing to throw speculative bullshit around like you are and while we are just “wondering” out loud I wonder if this has anything to do with how you do not stand by anything you say and delete all your comments.
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Then stand by what you say and don’t delete your comments.
Also you forgot to delete this one.
Look over there!!
Typical capitalist tactic cashing in
We just need to convince these companies that murdering a horrible CEO is the best way to advertise!
Bye bye AI CEOs.
We are living in a simulation, truly.
Confirmed.
I think people are overestimating how much stock any chain has for a specific item at any given moment. It’s really not that impressive that specific color of a specific sweater can sell out quickly because of a meme. This is just clickbait.
In siding with the rich and powerful against somewhone who is objectively opposing the rich and powerful, NY’s mayor is showing how much of a political battle the trial will be.
Missed opportunity
I’m missing what the missed opportunity is. Enlighten me?
look at the color name
Yeah I’m still drawing blanks here
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They need to ban this sweater immediately.
They need to ban new York, that’s where the alleged crime happened. People are still going there!
no
