Just because one side of a conflict are terrible humans and a war criminals does NOT mean you HAVE to support the terrible humans/war criminals of the opposing powers.
You are allowed to call them both out and support neither.
Enjoy devouring yourselves like rabid animals while helping precisely NOBODY.
Palestinian genocide is one of the darkest pages in modern/contemporary history, and the world pretends it doesn’t happen. It’s incredible. Really shows you who’s writing the newspapers.
Two things i’m sure of:
- Palestinians are being massacred
- Israel’s long-term reputation will take a heavy blow because of this.
Stop this nonsense.
I’m sure about number one, sadly not so much about number two.
What’s a rapporteur? Are they like a reporter?
Yeah that is roughly it. She highlights issues and the UN can decide to open full team investigations into those issues.
A chef’s kiss of a statement if I’ve ever seen one.
Cool message but coming from the mouth of Tankies it’s worthless.
And since anyone to your left is automatically a tankie, you can dismiss all opposition to genocide.
Lmfao Tankies aren’t to the left of me. Tankies aren’t left, period.
Left means progress and reform. Tankies are regression incarnate.
Leftism is a mask worn to stoke flames. Just like their fake socialism.
and just like western liberals since the native american genocides; they’re going to feel really bad about this and future genocides while continuing to support candidates who tell them that genocides are nbd so long as the other guy wants to genocide harder.
Are you seriously still going on about voting? The presidential election ended a month ago. The next one isn’t for 4 years. Talk about direct action instead.
What happened to no election ever, is that ruse already dropped?
cool.
anyway. why couldn’t we have Harris as president?
Because people like this were her advocates:
We had to save Palestine!
Why do some people have to bring american politics into every debate? Its not the center of the universe
woah woah. “made in the West ink” ring a bell?
We’re talking about Israel. The US is the main enabler of their atrocities and Isreal has great political leverage in the states. Purposely removing the US from this discussion leaves a very incomplete picture.
That might be true, but thats also clearly not what the comment I replied to was talking about. It was just whining about the lost election
You’re in a tankie community rn, the Rules don’t make it very clear but if you scroll down to expectations they make it clear they’re opposed to “Liberalism.”
Tankies support Trump under the pretense that both sides bad but one side accelerates towards their goals faster.
It says they welcome anything from social democracy to anarchism so how you got “tankie community” is a mystery to me. Yet another chapter in “everyone I don’t like on Lemmy is a tankie.”
I have been subscribed for a while and haven’t seen any support of Stalin or Mao or whoever. I think these people are monsters and yet I’m still here.
You’re in a tankie community rn, the Rules don’t make it very clear but if you scroll down to expectations they make it clear they’re opposed to “Liberalism.”
Being against liberalism aka capitalism, the state, markets, etc is not exclusive to tankies. If actually read the sidebar from a perspective that is informed about left wing/socialist ideologies, you should notice that tankies or atleast the opinions that make them tankies are not welcome.
Tankies support Trump under the pretense that both sides bad but one side accelerates towards their goals faster.
And while I really dont like tankies, this is just not true in most cases.
Yeah you defend those Tankies, Mr. Definitely-Not-A-Tankie.
The thing about anti-capitalists on Lemmy is that 99% aren’t against the free market system that is the definition of Capitalism. They’re against USA “Capitalism.” They’re not in favour of worker owned means of production in a truly equal democracy that is the definition of Socialism. They’re in favour of Chinese/USSR “Socialism.”
That is the real crux of the issue without any masks or curtains.
It’s just violent political tribalism at its core with zero positive impact from even engaging with the bad actors. They don’t want to fix things, they want the other tribe to be destroyed.
Source: trust me bro
Thank you for coming to my TEDx talk.
Did it seem long to you? The comment above it was 1 word longer.
Cuz she dumb bitch
Jews defending their one nation, from an ongoing onslaught of Arab Islamic invasion, rape, murder, peppered by supporting Persian missile attacks from almost every nation which surrounds it (except the one who’ve decided that allowing Jews to live in peace is the smarter way). The “Palestinians” still have hundreds of Israeli kidnap victims held hostage in Gaza. And still, they will not give up the hostages, and still they give cover to their terrorists in Hamas. The UN rapporteur is a godawful antisemite. Am YIsrael Chai.
And another shit tier response from a garbage person.
Israeli settlers in Palestinian land are only doing self-defense, after all.
If Israel really wanted that land, they should buy it; That means, actually compensating the muslim people for giving up their homes and moving somewhere else; instead of bombing them to death.
Genocide is not self-defense.
Oh boo hoo you fucking lil baby
Zionism is a settler colonialism project that was able to really start with the support of British Imperialism. Zionism as a political movement started with Theodore Herzl in the 1880s as a ‘modern’ way to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ of Europe. Western Nations supported this instead of instituting legal protections and refuge for Jewish people fleeing persecution.
Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.
No Ethnostate has a right to exist. The right way to tackle the rampant antisemitism in Europe would have been (and still is) to enshrine protections that guarantee civil rights to Jewish people and not limit the amount of refugees seeking asylum.
Herzl himself explicitly considered Zionism a Settler Colonialist project, Setter Colonialism is always violent. The difficulty in creating a democratic Jewish state in an area inhabited by people who are not Jewish, is that enough Palestinian people need to be ‘Transferred’ to have a demographic majority that is Jewish. Ben-Gurion explicitly rejected Secular Bi-national state solutions in favor of partition.
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Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.
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10 myths of Israel by Ilan Pappe, summerized and full book
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Transfer Committee and the JNF led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate.
Ethnic Cleansing
Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Oslo was used as a land grab while continuing to deny Palestinians human rights
(Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ).
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
Historian Works on the History
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Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
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The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
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A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
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The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
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The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
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10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
The existence of Hamas, and any armed resistance movement, is directly due to the decades of violence experienced daily under the permanent occupation, the Apartheid State, of Israel. It’s impossible to understand their existence if you don’t understand the lived experience and material conditions they are forced to live under. There is no such thing as a perfect victim when it comes to anti-Colonialist resistance, not for the Vietcong, the IRA, or the ANC either. Can you condemn the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in the same way as the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto?
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
And therefore they have the right to murder civilians?
No. You’re choosing to be a monster.
Have they tried not being unrepentant assholes?
Israel has thousands of Palestinian hostages, since before Oct 7 2023, and is not planning on releasing single one of them.
Up yours too, mate
