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Neil Gaiman’s The Sandman had the longest of mistiest paths to becoming a TV show, three decades after the DC Vertigo comic’s debut. The hesitation was down to the fantasy author resisting several awful movie attempts, and too much could have gone wrong in adapting the infinitely layered fantasy story, but Netflix brought a lugubrious and stunning spectacle to screens (full of Life Amid Death) as the first three graphic novels were initially adapted.
The second season has taken years to come together, which isn’t unheard of for a Netflix fantasy series with heavy VFX. Sadly, this could also conceivably be the final season, given that several Gaiman projects (like Amazon’s Good Omens) have been cut short, cancelled, or apparently indefinitely paused in the wake of sexual misconduct allegations against the author (as initially reported by Tortoise Media). Those accusations do make the show’s bonus “Calliope” story hit differently than when the episode first surfaced, but that’s not a discussion for today. The Sandman‘s second season is still coming, so let’s (awkwardly) sift through what we can expect.
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How many episodes will we see? The first season brought 10 initial episodes and a bonus hour, but Netflix has not offered a count for the second season. However, Redanian Intelligence has passed on the rumor that we could see 12 new episodes of The Sandman when the show returns. This seems too good to be true, so we will await official word on that note, but the second season will leap headlong into Season Of Mists, the fourth graphic novel (considered the favorite volume of many The Sandman fans).
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Going back to Stranger in a Strange Land I’ve loved enough books by great and terrible authors, I’ve firmly landed in the camp of love the art not the artist.
They’ve done a fantastic job with this series so far. I want to see it completed. The ending is too important to leave it unfinished.
I’ve landed firmly in the other camp that I cannot separate the artist, once it’s shown they are useless human garbage, from the outward false pretense of their art, made to make themselves appear other that what they truly are, and knowing what I do about the author, for me to celebrate their pretense makes me contemptible, pathetic, and conspiratory in continuing to celebrate their and it’s perceived “brilliance”, squarely in the face of those to whom they’ve harmed. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Human garbage is still human, we must accept the darkness in us to overcome it. The meaning and value of art is not determined by the author’s intention, but rather by the viewer’s interpretation. We can recognize that a great piece of art was created by a flawed person but also recognize the value and richness it has provided to countless others.
In the case of Gaiman, his work got me interested in diving deeper into literature through his portrayal of Shakespeare and his modern interpretation of mythology in American gods.
How can you not separate the art and artist; While saying my contemptible, pathetic, and conspiratorial traits, are just different strokes?
Not sure why you imply Heinlein is terrible as a person, he seems pretty benign, especially comping from a military background.
He was a pretty hard core libertarian and misogynistic. Even for his time. He said himself, he only wrote Stranger as a joke making fun of the hippies. Still one of my top 5 favorites though.
Libertarian , sure, but more old school one before Ayn Rynd and co ruined it? Misogynistic? I thought he had female characters achieving things and mixed gender militaries in his work?
I might be remembering things wrong, I read his stuff decades ago
Maybe I’m just sore after his comments about Stranger.
However, given what we now know about the other two pillars of the Golden Age of Science Fiction, his reputation is the least tarnished. A low bar, perhaps, but still…
What’s wrong with Asimov?
Fuck sake
Looks like the real article was a link inside the article the person posted.
From the article, it sounds like it was pinching/groping very publicly. Not good by any means (and probably contributed to the genre being male oriented/dominated for so long), but also sounds like nothing more than that (although given his own willingness to state some of those things, it’s definitely possible he did worse).
:(
What’s wrong with libertarians? I think they get a bad rap and some of their ideas might be unworkable but their hearts are in the right place.
The few times I’ve dug into it with someone, it always comes down to, “I don’t want to pay so much to help people I don’t know or like?”
There definitely are some of those and I’ve met them. But when I’ve dug further with them I found there were plenty of government programs they benefited from that they would be unwilling to give up. In other words, “government benefits for me but not for thee!”These people I would call selfish hypocrites rather than libertarians.
No, when I think of a libertarian I think of someone like Milton Friedman. He believed everyone would be better off with less government intervention in people’s lives. In the few cases where he thought government was still necessary (such as law enforcement, national defence, and the disbursement of a negative income tax benefit) he believed it should be kept.
It’s kind of convenient, isn’t it? They want less government, but to keep the bits they do want. Well, so does everyone else, and you know how we settled it? Voting.
Adding a note to say I’m not specifically talking about American politics here, but the ideas in general.
Yeah. Friedman makes the case that he wants government programs eliminated wherever and whenever possible and that the only ones which should remain are those that can’t be handled by private enterprise.
I still can’t get over this guy writing stories about women empowerment and preaching 24/7 on social media only to turn out a sexual abuser.
Just a reminder there’s never been proof presented to that end.
An aging millionaire writer has admitted to having rough sex with young women he is employing. So, even in the most positive reading of this, the difference in power makes this problematic (on a similar level to the accusations made against Warren Ellis). The fact that the women say they didn’t consent further compounds the problem. Unfortunately, in a lot of sexual assault cases, it can come down to he-said-she-said, which us why securing a prosecution can be really difficult. It doesn’t mean we can’t ignore statements from two women about it. I suppose the problem is, like Ellis, the is no real resolution.
The problem with claims made or modified decades later on a antiwoke right wing podcast that has spoken out against women’s empowerment is that they can’t be taken seriously. Yeah, sleeping with someone you’re paying is bad, ideally no one ever has sex with anyone, ever, but realistically things happen and decades later someone might change their mind about what was consensual for money.
Didn’t he admit to making out with his caretaker on her first day on the job?
Not to rationalise his alleged actions, though given how likely it is that he has had goth women with various kinds of kinks and personality disorders throwing themselves at him for several decades, it’s conceivable that he started as a perfectly decent guy and gradually got debauched by circumstance, gradually becoming a monster in imperceptible steps.
It’s not his fault he sexually exploited women! It’s the goth chicks corrupting his mind!
Wow. What a take.
this ain’t it
Kind of like the Buffy show being good with lead women actors and what not. It’s been recognized as a strong feminist show, but the creator still treated the women he worked with like objects. You could kind of tell with Joss Whedon though when you see certain storylines with Xander as his fill-in character. And Joss working on more shows after Buffy helped confirm, through many sources, that he’s an asshole.
At least I haven’t heard that Joss crossed any line sexually though.
I am definitely pissed that he turned out to be that sort of person.
Sometimes people hold their own behavior to a different standard than they hold others, or don’t internalize how profoundly weighted the power dynamic actually is.
If you don’t see yourself as having as much power as you actually do in a dynamic, then you might behave in a way that’s abusive without seeing it as such, even if you’d readily take issue with the same situation in circumstances where you did see the disparity.Or just cynically playing a part for reputation. Neither excuses anything, but it can be helpful to know how some people find themselves doing bad things without thinking to themselves “today I’m gonna be a shit bag”.
Joss Whedon energy.
given that several Gaiman projects (like Amazon’s Good Omens) have been cut short
What a weird example, given that Good Omens ran out of source material in season 1.
What you didn’t care for the random continuing gay fanfic almost seemingly unrelated to the first season that was written after the author who wrote the bulk of the original story deceased?
Yeah, I wish season 2 hadn’t ended in a cliffhanger
I liked the first season although I have not read the source material.
That death episode really stood out for me. It was so poignant.
I didn’t either but here’s the wikipedia page and here’s a page with Death, she is written similarly to the Netflix character
the actress did a good job, the writing was good.
It’s unfortunate that she didn’t look the part, also that they didn’t make the endless unnaturally pale.
Yes yes, screen tests , etc. Find a way.
The endless don’t have to be unnaturally pale. In the comics, Destruction certainly isn’t, so it’s not like it’s a hard rule even in the source material.
Loved the first season
I guess transmetropolitan is never getting made, huh? :(
That was always going to be a tricky pitch and I think the allegations have raised the bar too high on this.
Ellis is back working and we’ll see what the reception is to his new projects but I suspect it just adds an extra bit of friction to the process, which will doom any adaptations. For now anyway.
That was always going to be a tricky pitch
yeah, but with ALL the sci fi series getting picked up, and all the well known adult comics being adapted (the boys, preacher, watchmen, constantine, sandman, etc) the last holdout felt like Transmet was the last one from that era that have the same tone that was left to be adapted.
I mean, they’re not exactly going to be chomping at the bit to adapt shade the changing man, are they? They’re even doing fucking swamp thing.
The only other one I can think of that has yet to be adapted, fits the mold and hasn’t been picked up is The Invisibles.
Edit : and the sfx budget for the invisibles would be through the fucking roof
