Israeli air strike hits the al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City where thousands are seeking safety and treatment.
  • Veltoss@lemmy.world
    11319·
    8 months ago

    Gotta love how they told people to go south then bombed them there, as well as hospitals. And they can just say every target, no matter how many civilians die, was a “Hamas target” and it’s “Hamas’ responsibility to protect civilians” while they indiscriminately bomb these civilians.

    Crazy that more people aren’t speaking up against this.

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
      519·
      8 months ago

      They told people to evacuate and then bombed the evacuation routes.

      Israeli spokespersons keep saying they’re fighting Nazis, but I only see Nazis on their side of this.

    • xuxebiko@kbin.social
      437·
      8 months ago

      Once Palestinians starteing evacuating North Gaza, Israel bombed the humanitarian corridor that they’d declared as safe.

      Russia did the same to Ukrainians last year and EU & NATO & UN supported Ukraine. Now they support Israel.

    • dependencyInjection@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      233·
      8 months ago

      I swear to God, I can’t name another country that takes such little criticism ever in the MSM other than Israel.

      A fucking hospital ffs.

    • AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world
      162·
      8 months ago

      For many it’s the sunk cost fallacy.

      They’ve rhetorically, unreservedly supported Israel for half a century, and they will not be reexamining those intransigent beliefs today, thank you very much.

      "The Doctor: How much blood will spill until everybody does what they’re always going to have to do from the very beginning – sit down and talk! Listen to me, listen. I just – I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It’s just a fancy word for changing your mind.

      Bonnie: I will not change my mind.

      The Doctor: Then you will die stupid."

      -Steven Moffat, excerpt from Doctor Who

      • DoomBot5@lemmy.world
        English
        28·
        8 months ago

        The other option is supporting a “government” that is not only unwilling to talk, not only is labeled internationally as a terrorist organization, but also lists the murder of all Jews as part of their charter.

    • DoomBot5@lemmy.world
      English
      215·
      8 months ago

      Hamas car bombed the evacuation route killing many of their own citizens.

  • LollerCorleone@kbin.social
    10015·
    8 months ago

    If it was any other West Asian country doing this, the entire West would be denouncing them and taking action. But because its Israel doing it, this is fine.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
      524·
      8 months ago

      Because there are consequences of you go against the grain. It’s all about money…always. Palestinians have little to no money and influence.

      • thoro@lemmy.ml
        323·
        8 months ago

        It’s sad that this type of comment can be and is often spun as “antisemitism”

        • CoderKat@lemm.eeEnglish
          13·
          8 months ago

          Agreed. It’s also frustrating that the labeling of anything anti-Zionist as anti-Semitism just gives actual anti-Semites the opportunity to claim their actual anti-Semitism is anything but.

        • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
          108·
          8 months ago

          I will never fault someone for standing up for their people. In fact, one has to admire the fact that this person put their money (and reputation) where their mouth is. We strongly disagree on the matter, but antisemitism has nothing to do with it.

          A question, for me, is where is the same pressure from other players? Where are the mega rich Arabs and Muslims pulling their funding because somebody didn’t put out a pro-Palestine message. Step up!

            • modifier@lemmy.ca
              2·
              8 months ago

              (although we should be careful not to be tricked into thinking all militants, including those giving orders, are religious extremists - reportedly Hamas’ campaign on the 7th was ordered to take hostages and not kill civilians, and that the IDF basically implemented the Hannibal Doctrine against it’s own civilians leading to significant friendly fire casualties [even as reported by an Israeli who was held hostage and later interviewed on Israeli news]; you can see how murky the waters get in a propaganda war).

              Can you share some of the reporting behind this use of ‘reportedly’. I have never seen this reported before though I am admittedly not reading everything.

                • modifier@lemmy.ca
                  21·
                  8 months ago

                  It’s difficult to tell if you believe it or not because you’ve referenced it within a larger point about how much confusion there is, but it seems like you believe it enough to repeat it. If so, what about the article makes you believe it or not?

          • sadreality@kbin.social
            47·
            8 months ago

            Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don’t want at your wedding…

            Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales

            • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
              51·
              8 months ago

              Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don’t want at your wedding…

              I have no idea if this is true or not but it seems like a gross generalization.

              Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales

              Irrelevant. I’m talking about individuals not governments.

              • sadreality@kbin.social
                25·
                8 months ago

                Arab peoples and states behaviors speak for themselves.

                Fact that most most of the aid for Gaza came from the west, should be indication enough about how other Arabs feel about this issue…

                They are fine with palestiains suffering as along as Israel keep getting rockets.

    • xuxebiko@kbin.social
      388·
      8 months ago

      the toxic sludge of racism + Islamophobia = support and empowerment for Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians.

      • glimse@lemmy.world
        265·
        8 months ago

        The other, possibly larger, part of it is the fear of being labeled antisemitic. Antisemitism is a huge problem all over the world but Jews aren’t to blame for what’s going on - Zionist are.

        • ALQ@lemmy.world
          113·
          8 months ago

          Yep. And yet Israel is giving the rest of the world more excuses for antisemitism. Who is even winning this “war,” other than Bibi and his toadies?

          • glimse@lemmy.world
            13·
            8 months ago

            No one. Jews everywhere will take a reputation hit from the public at large because Bibi pretends to speak for them.

            I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. I worked at a Jewish family business. I have lots of Jewish friends. And I’ve yet to meet a Jew who likes the guy…even the ones who support an Israeli state.

            • ALQ@lemmy.world
              10·
              8 months ago

              Agreed. I’m Jewish and have never supported Israel, but my parents do and even they hate him.

              • glimse@lemmy.world
                81·
                8 months ago

                I think I support the idea of Israel because they’ve historically been a target of genocide but I recognize that it’s not my land being given away to make it. It’s the perpetual expansion if Israel that bothers me.

                Zionists originally wanted a homeland and they got it. Now, Zionists want an empire. I’m pretty sure Palestine won’t exist after this conflict. You give a mouse a cookie…

    • sadreality@kbin.social
      628·
      8 months ago

      Have you not heard about the beheaded babies?

      Israel got blank check from rest of the world, Gaza residents will be punished and aint nobody gonna do shit. If Arab states won’t do shit, what can we expect from anyone else.

      Sucks to be a Gaza resident, but it is a small price to pay for jewish people to have their own country.

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
          314·
          8 months ago

          Settlers made up a lie about Hamas beheading 40 babies and tricked Biden into saying he saw pictures.

          It was later corrected: he didn’t see any pictures because there are no pictures.

        • Nix@merv.newsEnglish
          14·
          8 months ago

          A fake story used as propaganda to manufacture consent for the genocide of Palestinians. Mainstream media and celebrities were repeating it blindly a week ago saying 40 beheaded babies were found

      • LollerCorleone@kbin.social
        211·
        8 months ago

        Well, Israel is bound by international

        The entire issue here is that they aren’t. They are openly committing war crimes in breach of international conventions and none of the self-appointed guardians of democracy in the West seem to be batting an eye.

      • masquenox@lemmy.ml
        101·
        8 months ago

        Israel is bound by international law

        Has anyone informed Israel of this?

  • pyromaster55@lemmy.world
    5613·
    8 months ago

    What Hamas did was horrible, a terrorist attack and atrocity for sure, but we’re watching an actual genocide and half of the world is cheering it on. I feel like I’m talking crazy pills. What the fuck is wrong with people and what can we do to stop this?!?

      • novibe@lemmy.mlEnglish
        272·
        8 months ago

        They should’ve peacefully marched and protested!

        …. Like they did in 2018 and got brutally shot down by the dozens of thousands, with thousands of dead and more than 10 times that maimed for life with their knees destroyed, intentionally, by IDF soldiers as they laughed? When they marched peacefully towards the walls and barriers, making their concerns heard in protests and absolutely nothing got better and no one cared?

        In any case, we all know everything we’ve ever achieved was done through peaceful protest. Like the civil rights movement! MLK made some speeches and the white bourgeoisie felt bad and changed all the laws.

        Don’t look into how MLK was murdered and there was mass protest and revolt with plenty of violence before any changes ever happened…

      • Crikeste@lemm.ee
        132·
        8 months ago

        Don’t you see! You can challenge your oppressors with peace and forgiveness!

        Dorky ass motherfuckers who wouldn’t last a single day under the Israeli foot.

      • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
        1110·
        8 months ago

        This is a bullshit excuse for violence against innocent bystanders. You can (and Israel supporters DO) apply this exact same argument to Israel: “And what exactly SHOULD they do about HAMAS, Mr. Smarty-pants, just let terrorists run pel mel, unpunished?”

        I don’t have an affirmative answer; if I did I’d be happy to collect my Nobel peace prize. What I do have is the understanding that “but you just don’t understand, it’s justified when WE do it” is a giant crock of shit, and it’s the lie that every oppressor through the ages (including Israel) has told themselves.

        Edit: Other countries need to step up their game. It’s plain to see what’s happening in Palestine, even with the internet and electricity blackouts imposed there, so one can only imagine how much worse it really is. The US and others need to step up and denounce this shit, tell Israel to go to the bargaining table for real or they’re off the teat for good.

          • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
            74·
            8 months ago

            Uh oh, looks like someone knows how to write sassy remarks on the internet. I’m very impressed!

            • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
              48·
              8 months ago

              No, seriously. If you don’t have an answer then you have to defer to the people struggling on the ground. You don’t get to moralize to them when they’re fighting for their lives against genocide.

    • Deanne@iusearchlinux.fyi
      436·
      8 months ago

      i’ve given up caring about it edit: i should’ve clarified myself. i do wish the best for people that are affected by this “war” (idk what to call it) but i’ve simply given up caring about who wins or what happens on any war or attack. in the end it’s people dying and that makes me sad so i simply try not to care about anything like this

      • Cyclohexane@lemmy.ml
        191·
        8 months ago

        The 2.5 million in Gaza sadly don’t have this privilege and can’t stop caring.

          • Cyclohexane@lemmy.ml
            104·
            8 months ago

            The only threat the people in Israel are under right now is their own state waging war.

            Most Israelis are living their normal lives still. Parties and clubs still happened over the weekend without issue. It’s been 9 days of 2.5 million Gaza-ians not having a drop of water, an ounce of food, or a minute of electricity imported.

            • DoomBot5@lemmy.world
              English
              413·
              8 months ago

              Just thousands of rockets raining down on them. You know, perfectly normal life.

              • Cyclohexane@lemmy.ml
                6·
                8 months ago

                Again, their own state waging war and genocide. Tired of war? Stop waging it. But clearly those partying over the weekend aren’t.

          • masquenox@lemmy.ml
            51·
            8 months ago

            9 million in Israel under constant rocket fire.

            Sorry - please remind me… what are they doing in Palestine again?

  • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
    6321·
    8 months ago

    Some nerd reported the post suggesting that maybe it was a Palestinian air strike. LMAO

    • ApexHunter@lemmy.ml
      289·
      8 months ago

      Israel is claiming that some rockets launched by Hamas towards Israel went off course and hit the hospital.

      I remember Russia staging a “Ukrainian missle attack”, but they were so bad at it that the damage was on the side of buildings facing away from Ukraine. Should be pretty easy to check that here too…

      • diegeticscream[all]🔻@lemmygrad.ml
        341·
        8 months ago

        Hamas has never shown the capacity to level a full building. This war would be much shorter if they could.

        Every successful rocket strike of theirs is a simple smoking hole.

        The zionist state, on the other hand, has bombed this exact hospital before, has extensively bragged about their bombing capability, and cannot stop lying.

        This is less complicated than you’re making it out to be.

                • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
                  27·
                  8 months ago

                  I don’t doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what’s actually happening.

                • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
                  14·
                  8 months ago

                  My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn’t have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I’m against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don’t agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they’re indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I’m against them too. The only people I’m in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who’d just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully.

                  So I’m biased yeah, but it’s a bit more nuanced than that.

          • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            23·
            8 months ago

            Ah yes because a 1,000kg bomb that took over a thousand lives in one go “might not” level an entire building. And despite reddit-logo actually celebrating, it could have been an accident.

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              • o_d [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
                81·
                8 months ago

                Lmao. The “I didn’t see it so it didn’t happen” defence. Take a time out and you can have a juice box 👶🧃

              • commiewithoutorgans [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                6·
                8 months ago

                Yeah the “field of bodies” video is pretty easy to find even if you’re not looking for it. I don’t blame you for not wanting to see the shit, It’s terrible. But don’t come with some fake claim that only cars can be found. “Leveled” is a word used to mean “made rubble” sometimes and “made to be as useless and dangerous as rubble” others. This is probably the latter time, but I haven’t seen videos showing the remains of the building honestly. I don’t search for this shit tho

      • FreakingSpy [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        342·
        8 months ago

        Adding to the dogpile here: IDF and Israel Twitter profiles posted videos that “proved” this, then people quoted old tweets showing that video was from the last year

  • Blursty@lemmygrad.ml
    424·
    8 months ago

    Hamas not killing more than 50 people with rockets in the last 20 years but had this hospital flattening rocket all along which they only decided to use tonight, it then blew up a hospital that just happened to be the one the Israelis told to evacuate before they bombed it. Yeah?

  • wildeaboutoskar@beehaw.org
    151·
    8 months ago

    I don’t understand a lot about this conflict but surely there can be no justification for this. Those poor people